I think AP shells need to be reworked, especially in low calibre guns as for example the British and American guns. Since Tunis came out, I find it pretty much pointless to play Allied tanks, as even if they penetrate, the round rarely does any significant damage to enemy tanks. I’m not talking about one-shot killing with AP as it is War Thunder maybe, but at least killing the crewmember behind the penetrated armor…
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If you talk about the 40mm pdr. Brit gun, I agree it’s completely bonkers. The shells often BOUNCE off the Italian CAR…
Damage models may be off, or the canon specs are wrong.
Weird thing is the premium valentine in Moscow, also using the 40mm pdr always pen any and all german vehicles of that theater and do a nice amount of shrapnel to boot, even on the tiny pz2 
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I would say that’s because the tank damage models in Moscow are alot better. Certainly feels that way. Can reliably snipe crew with at guns also
It might very well be true. Tunisia (and the tanks in it) indeed just came out, while those in Moscow might have had time to get patched often
But they pen Italian tank that has sth like 3 times car’s armour.
It just works.
The problem w with post-pen AP is not the calliber (though bigger is better) of the gun but if it hits modules right after, the people here who played war thunder know that issue and its really annoying one.
After you hit a tank and shell pentretes and its hiting a module it will most likley stop on that one beacuse it didnt had enough power after penetreting armor, you can test easily by shooting other tanks in modules like gun breach, driver hatch, fuel tanks etc and it will most likely get stopped by them though not always (distance and angle matters).
When it comes to panzers in Moscow im sure you guys dont aim for drivers hatch like in case of AB 41 but either center of mass or right where the gunner is and there arent any modules there in the way to stop the shell unlike with AB 41, also armor helps in case of AP, since if you have some armor there will be shrapnel and since AB 41 barely has any armor, there is no shrapnel, there is saying in war thunder that the best armor is no armor and it didnt came from nothing.
Anyway im posting screenshot of AB 41 with marked areas to better represent its issue.
Blue area is where you can hit, pen and do crew damage.
Red is where shells almost always bounce or dont pen beacause of driver module in this case. (even 57mm pounder has issue with it)
Green is where you can pen it, dont hit a crew, but hit ammo rack (depending on distance it can take 1 to 5 shots)
Black is where you can hit and pen but you wont really harm it in any way.
That’s what I mean: I think it’s a very strange damage model… Like someone mentioned, the 40mmpdr could go through those vehicles like butter at more than 2km (historically) … But some module here eat the shell up or just make it bounce. It shouldn’t be 🤷
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even the AT rifle suffers a lot from the almost slotmachine like penetration, flat surfaces on the A13 or daimler is a autobounce no matter if you would be able to actually pen it, but hitting the gun mantlet on the A13 with the pzb somehow always will penetrate which just doesnt make sense since the gun mantlet is the thickest part of the turret
Yeah, they need to rework it in Tunisia, I know the Brits didn’t have explosive filler in their shells but the 2pdr seems to be way underpowered, it’s a total whack-a-mole even with the Italian armoured car to be able to do any damage, while they just hit you once and you lose crew straight away. Whenever I spawn in a tank, basically I just try to play infantry support and hope I don’t run into an enemy tank head-on, because they have a substantial advantage over me.
Try killing a tank with the Boys ATR 
might as well not even bring it
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we need server that dont crap out every 5 second so tanks and at weapons
can be used without problems
I’ve never penetrated a tank with the Boys Memegun, but at least it’s the funniest rifle in the whole British arsenal 
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