Perk Balance Megathread

[PilotAwesome_FIN]

Good chart but I would definitely put to best possible tier because with that when you revive yourself you are already on full HP, normally you need 2-3 more medpacks after reviving to get full health

[TheCatequil]

It is good until you get advanced medkits. Advanced medpacks can heal you to full with 1 use (as this perk simply upgrades normal medpacks to the level of advanced medpacks), fully nullifying the need for the medpack perk, as mentioned in the thread.

[PilotAwesome_FIN]

I have almost unlocked the Beretta 38 and only have received 2 Advanced medkits so far

[TheCatequil]

I got 4 advanced medkits so far and only barely unlocked the M38 with 2 M38s in my inventory. But at some point you will have everything unlocked, lowering the need for that perk. That is something you should keep into consideration

[PilotAwesome_FIN]

Still, i have 4 squads with 5 equipment slots and usually have 3 medkits per guy, thats roughly 6x4x3=72 advanced medkits required to make the +200% healing perk inefficient

[TheCatequil]

Today I learned about retraining soldiers for better perks. Added it to the thread, make sure to read up on that as well as it helps a bunch!

[SKL_1]

Most of the time you will still pick from the ones you were given making the system pointless, note that even clicking on the reroll would remove that perk, still the options you are left with are the same.

I’m yet to know what the “Veteran soldier class” means (as there is an upgrade perk to get soldiers to 5 stars).

This last highlighted line is either a lie or not implemented yet since the perks are the same with the same power/effect/numbers after rerolling into them. Again a developer to shed light is really needed here.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

overhall, you took quite a lot time in making this whole thread, which, good time, effort and details. someone that knoes how to do things in big and well made around here <3.

but, i feel like ( with no offence, ) that your opinion should be out of the thread, since technically, it’s a suggestion of rebalancing some perks, delete others, or add more.
in poor words, i don’t get how or why you are judging perks by giving them a “grade”, it’s personal, and not consistent actually if you know what i mean. like:

@5762269

Stamina regeneration:
This perk affects the rate at which your stamina bar goes back up. It is a very underwhelming perk as the ammount of cases where you need it is very low. Generally, more stamina gets the job done much better. Grade: F

i use this perk whenever i can equip it, because it’s usefull when you have to move fast, and keep up with the fight.
but i wouldn’t put it as a grade F.

@5762269

Crawl/Crouch speed:
This perk increases your movement speed while not standing or running by 60%. While the mobility increase is definitely noticable, there really is no situation where you would use this over other perks. Grade: D

again, it shouldn’t be avoided, since it’s great for sniper. when they have to take cover, reload, and stand up for shooting again.

@5762269

Climb speed:
This perk affects climb speed. It costs a whopping 4 mobility points and its effect is rarely used in combat. Its only saving grace is that the other mobility perks are about as bad as this one. Grade: D

same it goes for assaulter, and first i mentioned, it’s by gameplay style. and very situationl. but not pointless.

it’s just your opinion.

@5762269

Health regeneration:
An extremely underwhelming perk. Health regeneration gives you double the health regeneration out of battle. The issue is that you need 30+ seconds before the regeneration kicks in, after which you will most likely have used a medkit as you were still in combat and you needed the health, meaning the perk will practically never kick in. Grade: F

i disagree. most of the time it saves med kits pack so can be used when badly injured or downed.

but enough focusing on opinions. i mean, don’t get me wrong, i respect your opinion. because it’s fondamental of every single member of this community. but when making a megathread, i think that " grades " shouldn’t be used, since it’s for personal uses.
anyway, now i wanna focus more on this;

@5762269

For perk changes, I suggest the following:

@5762269

Universal:

• Stamina regen: increase effect to 200%
• Pose change: increase effect to 200-400%, so it really becomes noticable.
• Weapon changing: increase effect to 100%
  This would make the universal perks desirable and not a last ditch choice because you used all perk slots.

1. i could agree on this one, but than it should take double of the requirement.
2. i don’t think this would be accurate, nor gameplay friendly. i don’t think we would actually like to see a soldier that almost moves like a skilled reflex modern robots.
3. i would disagree. because as right now, the soldier that has weapon switch perk it’s very fast. i still have to remember that in second world war, straps were kinda clumsy. not allowing soldiers to use pistols that quickly like now days.

@5762269

Mobility:

• Movement speed while crawling or crouching should also affect the rate at which you get in/out of those poses. Not sure what else to change
• Jump height: Simply make sure it is enough for a soldier to jump while looking up, then grab the ledge of a building to climb on top of it. Maybe allow soldiers to pull other soldiers up on buildings so not the entire squad needs it? Perk cost should get increased to 4+ if this goes through
• Faster climbing: should get its perk cost reduced to 3

1. totally agree.
2. couldn’t have been said better
3. i would say 2*

@5762269

Vitality:

• Stamina is perfect, stay as is
• Health regen needs a 100% faster cooldown (so 50% less time) until regeneration kicks in, between 5-10 seconds should be good. Maybe have a perk indicator on the soldier to remind the user not to use medpacks? Alternatively could increase the bleedout timer
• Medpack effectiveness should speed up the revive speed when downed
• Vitality needs more testing, stay as is for now

1. no doubt
2. err, no. i don’t wanna see people recovering that fast. and after 5 seconds they are already to fight like nothing happened.
   if this is gonna be a thing, i might suggest than to nerf it like in battlefield 5. you have health regeneration, but only up to 60/75% of the max health.
3. in my opinion should be removed. i used and my soldiers survived from 3 shots of a mosin. 2 at the legs, and one at the torso. took a fourth bullet to take down my soldier.

@5762269

Firepower:

• Max ammo is perfect, stay as is. Maybe increase base ammo for all soldiers for 1 magazine and thus increase the extra ammo by another magazine as well?
• Shot spread should affect weapon sway when shell shocked, after quick turning of the weapon and when zoomed
• BA firing rate should affect fire rate of any weapon that isn’t semi or fully automatic, including the revolvers, anti-tank rifles, etc, as well as see an increase to maybe 30%
• Reload speed should see an increase to 30-35% as 24% isnt quite enough for what it asks of you
• Recoil should affect recoil in every position, including crouching and crawling, as well as reducing horizontal recoil by 20% or so, to make it desirable for more weapon types. Might make it too powerful though.

1. err, i don’t really understand why this perk, but sure. since right now, your squad soldiers are an endless ammo carrier in your back.
2. i would agree, but not at the point that will make shock effect useless.
3. i would personally delete this park, and give it by default with each stars. since also in real life people with experience know how to reload properly the gun that they are using.
4. fair enogh for me
5. i’m worry that could be op. since weapons are still weapons with they stats and proper recoil.

@5762269

• Repair speed:
  100% faster repair of vehicles
  Cost: Universal/None
  Details: To make this work, you should be able to repair allied vehicles that arent your own by equipping repair kits on normal soldiers. Planes also need to be able to get repaired. This perk will affect the speed at which repair and extuingishing of fires happen.
• Sprint speed:
  15% faster sprint speed
  Cost: 2 mobility
  Details: increases movement speed when sprinting.

1. nope, no and never.
   sorry, but in my opinion it should at least take manpower. since in real life, only experience engineer should be able to repair, and even if such, it requires good force. i dont only relay on real life aspect, but gameplay and common sense wise.
2. yep, this could work.

conclusion,
i’m sorry if i disagree with many points, but overhall, i think perk aspect it’s a really sticky and dangerous question. it’s already known that we can’t avoid supersoldiers, since the veteran class has been added. but at least we should limit this.

last thing, i think there are other perks needed.
especially for vehicle crew.

like, more perks for gunner, driver or commander.

more precisely,

• turn turret speed ( but i can understand that could also depend from vehicle )
• turn speed of the vehicle
• different manovrability ( better grip off road )

and many others.
if you got any others, be my guest.
overhall, good job for keeping alive the forum <3

[PilotAwesome_FIN]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

• turn turret speed ( but i can understand that could also depend from vehicle )
• turn speed of the vehicle
• different manovrability ( better grip off road )

The turn speed should be affected a lot by a soldiers experience because the tanks we have in Moscow have a lot of hand cranked turrets.

The drivers perks could be for example to make the tank accelerate faster since he can change gears better.

A loaders perk would be kinda obvious but really usefull.

[TheCatequil]

I tried to grade the perks in comparison to similar perks. For example, if you could fit it on your soldier, why would you use stamina regen over more stamina?

After previous comments about some hidden tricks surrounding crawl/crouch speed affecting your speed when downed, I think I will raise it’s grade and update it’s detail description for it.

Climb speed is rarely used my an average player. I try to rate on average useage, of course you should always tailor your perk choices to your own style. This is mostly ment to give a general idea as to what is good/bad for new-ish players.

Unless you get out of combat and you know you wont get back into combat for a while, you would use a medkit to patch yourself up. Again, this is a matter of playstyle. Would you rather be ready for the next fight, or risk being unprepared to maybe save a medpack?

I’ll adjust some of the suggestions for the perk fixes, as well as some of the grades

as to the repair thing, I personally think it would be a great improvement towards team play. The devs could nerf the base repair speed by 50%, then make it 150% from how it is right now with the perk.

Lastly, I will implement your perk suggestions if you can give me accurate descriptions of how they should work.

[TheCatequil]

Alright, I modified the thread according to your points, give it another read
To be clear: I do want the grades to stay in there, but I want to incorporate as much community feedback into said grades as possible. Just like with my balance megathread, there needs to be some kind of verdict about the strength of the perk for an average player.

[Tac_the_Pilot]

can i just say you are my favorite poster on the forums here, you always give great feed back. i hope i get to play with you some day!

[WardenQ]

how to retain perks…i could not understand it pls help

[TheCatequil]

retain as in keep,
or retrain as in get new ones on a maxed out soldier?

[WardenQ]

in keep! also tell me both if possible

[TheCatequil]

you can not keep any perks when you send a soldier to the academy to level them up

you can new ones on a maxed out soldier by leveling them up past their max level. For each extra level, you get 1 perk reroll point that you can use to reroll one of his perks.

[WardenQ]

not so user friendly the academy …and also the logistics is bugged

[TheCatequil]

If logistics is bugged you should make a report on it. This thread is ment for perks

[SrChronos]

Hi guys, how you doing? I am a newbie here, but I would like to say that both pieces of information are complementary. I think that the score is important, also inform that different person can have a different score beside according to your style of play. Maybe in the future, we can have a new list divide for Kind troops - variations Perks. Sorry about my english.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

well, it’s a bit weird looking at 5months older post.

i wouldn’t reccomend you to watch them, as we had different topics since now.

but, welcome to enlisted, and our community forum^^