No grind linearity?

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Hello, i’m a long time WT player with 5300+ hours ingame and i decided to try out enlisted because right now there is nothing that really pick my interest to grind for and i was honestly baffled by the grind on this game…

I could talk about the balance of the game or things i find stupid like being able to rain down powerfull artillery directly on objectives but to keep it “short”… i’ll focus on this one issue that won’t make me stay in this game and spend a single €

When i play WT, i know that no matter what i do, i will move forward, and that my progress can always be seen by me, i will have a better tank crew, i will unlock modules for my tank/plane and ultimately unlock a new vehicule.
This feeling i don’t feel at all in this game and for me it’s the biggest issue.

I can play 50 hours for exemple with my US squads on the Normandy campagne but as soon as i would play with germany, i would be back to lvl 1. Having the same campagne cut in 2 is a big issue for me because it breaks down the feeling of moving forward, if i change side, or change campagne, i have to start to zero all over again and it completely destroys the time spent already in the game.

I don’t really care about my squads or their weapons since i might not keep them with the limitation of having 4 squads and that the tokens to unlock anything are very scarce; and if i look at all the time i spent on the game already, i don’t feel that i have moved forward one bit, i can’t look back and say oh yeah i have spent a lot of time with this squad and it shows because it now act better in the battlefield with better equipment.

I can’t even personnalized my squad from a roaster, i unlock a random guy with a random face and i have to toss a coin if that guy will have a very weird face i dislike or not

Upgrading weapons is weird for me, i don’t see why i would have to buy weapons and then salvage them and then finally be able to upgrade one if i have enough salvage… just do like WT and put a price on it… waaaaaaaay too many mechanics just kills the fun for me like the academy where i need to enrole guys just to fill the hole left by the ones that left to re-train or whatever

I understand what the dev tried to do, cutting off the campagnes basically by dates and place, it’s very nice to have a fight around Moscow with early war equipment and Berlin with late war, but cutting the campagnes in 2 grinds isn’t engaging for me, and having random squads all over doesn’t make me attached to those squads.
What i enjoy in WT is that i have a slot or squad, and with time they get more experience, and with that experience they become better in the field, no matter what tank or plane i put in their hands, and nothing can take that back, my time spend playing with this squad/slot is earned for ever.
And i would honestly like it better in this game, that no matter what the first slot squad is, they all share the same experience so i can decide depending on the campagne to have a strong first squad of rifle man or having a strong tank crew.

Right now i have 0 satisfaction of leveling up with any squad because i will most likely change it later on as i gain lvl in the campagne and never play them again. And taking away the time i spent ingame and throwing it away isn’t inviting me to play the game, to love the game and wanting more and ultimately to spend money on this game because i don’t enjoy the mindless grind with no real strategy and a permanent “reset” everytime i switch side/campagne.

I don’t have a lot of hours in game so maybe i missed some things i don’t know, i do enjoy counter arguments and everything but please do explain yourself clearly and properly, i was just curious if i was the only one feeling like that about the grind on this game and i commented here today because i think this game could be a fun counter to battlefield with a more realistic twist to it.

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Just wanted to add that yes, in WT when you change country, you start to 0 again, but if i unlock vehicules and squads with one country, not only can i still enjoy the fruit of my efforts whenever i want, but also with vehicules that aren’t there yet in the game or on map that doesn’t exist yet either.

But here, if i want to enjoy a specific set of squads or a specific vehicule, i will be force to play on a very specific campagne, i will never be able to bring my jumbo in Berlin for exemple. So i wouldn’t put it on the same page

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You said you play WT, how is this different from changing nations in WT exactly? Because it’s not, it’s the same system. Planes/tanks/ships/helis unlocked for america won’t unlock the german equivalent. Choose what you play.

A well equipped squad with an engineer can turn the tide of the battle easily, you should care.

Sure, let me pay to upgrade my weapon to max, that surely won’t cause problems.

The game practically throws soldiers at you. Shouldn’t be a problem to fill the holes.

Except you have to pay to retrain them for the new vehicle or have them be useless for a long time until they change via xp, especially at the later tiers.

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Where TL;DR?

Also, shared campaign progress would only REALLY help the germans, and not anyone else. Also encourages toxic whaling. No thanks

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@101737576

As i added later on, no matter what is added in WT, i can enjoy the new content with the vehicules and squad that i have put time with, but on this game , every new addition will have to be started from 0

And yes i do know that a better equipped squad will be better in game, my problem is that i am forced right now to grind with a certains set of squads that i may not want to play later on as i progress in the campagne and that if i just switch side, it’s a reset, what i meant is i don’t really get with the game in cut in campagne AND also in two in that campagne, that’s one too much for me

I do have to train my squad for each new vehicule but i never had my top played slot useless for a any amount of time on WT so i’m not sure what you’re talking about on this.

@LegoProdigy i never talked about shared progress between different campagnes, just about it being different in the same campagne.
In battlefield for exemple you do have each squads that needs to be played to be upgraded but you can take them everywhere and the work you put as a US sniper with be transfered to other sniper squads of other countries, but here not only do you have to grind each squads separately but also for the other side AND on other maps/campagne; seems like overkill for me is all

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Are you just buying “parts” in WT? as there are plenty of tanks that start without those and require quite some grind to unlock even basics. So how is it different?
Here you can buy pretty much everything, squad levels, soldier level, campaign progression. Not that different to WT I would say.

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Well imagine playing WT but if you play germany you can only play certain maps and if you want to play on other maps or new maps you have to grind again, and if you want to enjoy those maps with another country you also have that grind on top of it

Like i said, i have no problem with the campagne being cut off from each other; but having to grind twice the same campagne looking at the speed it goes even at lvl 1, i don’t feel like i want to push it very far

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So if they were to combine the campaign levels to work for both nations, they’d also have to double the grind. This would result in twice the time between unlocks. Also, players who only want to play one nation in a campaign would complain because they have to play twice as long to get half the rewards.

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Yeah, it would be weird to storm Onaga beach as soviets… The whole thing with BR1 tanks fighting in an american sub-urbs should probably stay there in WT.
Unlocking units separately for each nation makes sense as equipment here is asymmetrical. Something that worked well for one side, might be so-so or non-existant for the other. Like German AT rifles are not very useful as most of the tanks a T-60. On the soviet side it’s a completely different story.

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things don’t really need to be doubled but i presume that when you like a game, you want to play a lot of parts of said game no?

And grinding was never my problem, it just feel a bit too much grind just to have a better time with 1 country on 1 campagne, and also too closed, if i don’t like snipers for exemple and i prefer heavy weapons, i have to grind a lot just to be able to play with the heavy weapons squad that i want to play with, again on battlefield, you can play every class on every map, but after that, if you want better equipment and weapons for that squad, you have to grind for them.

I was hoping it would be the same here i admit, you can choose your flavor and grind with what you like, maybe have certain potent squads limited like vehicules are…

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You don’t like enlisted that’s ok … You prefer WT go back and play the game you like. Why are you here complaining about a game that you don’t care for???

You want it to be even more like WT than it already is?? No Thanks!!

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Yeah, I don’t know if coming at this from a World of Tanks player perspective is all that strong.

I don’t play WT though, and I gotta admit, 6 different campaign levels to grind is a bit nuts. Each campaign can easily take 100+ hours before you even reach the point where you can start investing your resources in it (T1 troops for example are objectively inferior to T2).

It only encourages people to stick too their single 1 side and inflate MM times because they are punished with twice the grind for having “both sides” ticked on.

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Isn’t this what is currently in world of tanks though? You don’t grind all trees at the same time, you just grind the one you’re playing.

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That’s why I said

Because that statement implies the argument is weaker than it could be when taking in the perspective of a similar game as you base standard.

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Ahhh okay, just misunderstood you

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better this way with leveling factions on campaigns. its quick and easy enough to reach max lvl. takes little to no effort. compare it to something like WoT where it takes alot more time to reach end-tier.

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Just as a side note, WT stands for War Thunder and typical abbreviation for World Of Tanks is WOT.

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Idk personally I just enjoy the aesthetics and the feel of the Moscow campaign, and I play with the Both Sides tick, not caring too much how fast I will progress but still ensuring that both USSR and Germany are progressing more or less equally.
I feel like trying to max out only one side is a trap one would be setting up for themselves: having one side maxed out with tons of cool gear and abilities, will you want to then go back to bolt actions and autocannon tank of the other side?

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This game isn’t WT, isn’t a “development” of WT, isn’t made by Gaijin - the only connection is that it seems to have access to the tank and plane models (and physics, etc) from WT.

comparing the experiences is about as useful as comparing BFV to EVE - completely pointless and missing the point of having a DIFFERENT GAME.

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Its not a trap, i already maxed out Germany in Normandy and it was good to have those bolt-action rifles again, hell, i even in Normandy sometimes take my 9 rifleman squad with Kar98k’s just to play some bolt-action rifles, for me it is relaxing and good feeling when you kick but of guys with better gear.
But thats just my honest opinion on this thing.