Well I believe we should have 3 Axis and 3 Allies factions as progression system:
Allies:
USA
2.USSR
The Commonwealth and France
Axis
Germany
2.Japan
3.Italy and other Axis allies states (Hungary,Finland,Romania…)
Each Nation will be able to play on Different Maps depending on the tier equipment you are using similar to war thunder equipment will be changed to Tiers :
USA if you use Lower Tier squads, weapon and vehicle unlocks you will be able to play on Gavutu ,Guadalcanal , Tenaru River, Alligator Creek, Battle of Tunisia. If you use higher Tier Unlocks you will move on to Invasion of Normandy and if you use end tier Battle of the Bulge, Battle of Iwo Jima and Battle of Okinawa. And this will be done for every nation will be locked to specific theater’s of war and maps.
Lets talk a bit about Italy and the Axis allies states (Hungary and Romania) and how will they work mainly in the progression you will unlock Hungarian and Romanian and Italian divisions like in war thunder. Lets say Tier one divisions will be only Italian and you will be able to play them in Tunisia and Battle of France. Then Tier 2 divisions will have Italian , Romanian and Hungarian squads and equipment you will be able to play them in Stalingrad and then you move to Tier 3 divisions that again will be only Italian and you will be able to play them in battle of Italy and the Final Tier will be Hungarian divisions that you will be able to play them in end war campaigns against USSR.
Similar thing will be done with France and The Commonwealth. Tier one divisions will be British and French branches that you will be able to play on Battle of France and Tunisia then tier 2 Will be again British and French squads that you will be able to play on Invasion of Normandy and finally you will have only British Squads for late war.
Considering that the premium squads were being removed because they contained items that would become available via progression, and this included the Axis Lebel squad, I think what we might see in the future is;
2 faction: Commitern
URSS and other soviet republic
3 faction: japanese empire
Japan and his vassal
4 faction: axis
Germany, italy and the rest
Each nation have his own windows in the main faction tech tree, can share gun each other,mix squad and can play only on map where their army figth during the war
(If you mix axis squad with 3 or more nation you end play only during barbarossa)
No need add different main faction tree outside for future poland and china
But would anyone play as standalone Poland for low br matchrs against low BR Germany (and maybe USSR) with couple of Mauser Variantd and high end being Polish BAR? Would be a quick adventure. With Allied tree, you could maybe get 76mm Polish Sherman and Cromwell squads or so for late br.
And China can also be part of Allied main faction since their entire arsenal is copy-paste, most of them from the West and Germany. Why give a crap about British units in Poland or Frenchs in China anyway?
I understand that you don’t know history, but the French army was an ally of Germany. And the army of Free France were rebels.
In Africa, the French fought the French, and in southern France in 1944, the Allied forces fought against the French.
In Italy in 1943 there was such an ethnic, cultural and national mix. There was such a mix in the Balkans and Yugoslavia that it is still unknown who was allied with whom.
I can ask you the same question for the Japanese once merge come, why?
Because there are people who play it
you cant mix chinese and allied squad togheter for play a battle because there is no common battlefield for them, outiside if is added burma, so taking in consideration that burma is not added as first map, china result be separate
Japan at least has a couple more battlefields/ theatres.
Poland is basically just Poland depending on how you define the exile troops of the Wester Allies.
But… why not?
Because of historical accurcay?
Dont see issues have Allied troops in China and use lazy excuse “supporttive units, commandos or so”. Not like devs care and hate to use lazy excuses for questionable (historical) decisions anyway.
Poland have more ammount of pure map, that the one that can be added for island hopping , maybe you miss how big is it and in how many place the army clash each other
Because as you said china used a lot equipment from all faction
This mean add them in the same tree as US lead to american spam ppsh41,fedorov and germany gun
And so
Western allies faction become a meme more than is it
Is better if china stay standalone and can play with allied only on burma
I don’t know how to reply to this I will presume you don’t understand but the French Government and the French army where never allies with the Third Reich … France declared war on Nazi Germany on 3 of September 1939… the Vichy government was never ever the true French government it was nazi puppet state … I don’t know but some people skipped the history lessons for sure… Free France were not rebels there were the legitimate government of France it was in exile same as the Polish government in exile… I’m talking about a campaign that start with the war in France that France and UK fought against Germany and later Italy. It was the beginning of the war after the Nazis invaded Poland France and United Kingdoms declared war on Germany .
Well yes your way is also not bad my only fear is that the way combining Western Allies and Germany will take away the uniqueness of smaller nations you wont be able to play many smaller nation squads but you will play German Nation squads with not German made weapons. Same way I feel for UK that a lot of UK equipment simply wont be available and majority of the faction will be just USA. Simply UK and USA being different factions will be much better way to have more unique vehicles but if they make the current system that they are making with enough uniqueness it can also work.
you named the problem with being the legitimate government yourself. No government in exile is the actual government. The closest thing France had to a government was Vichy France, rest was occupied under Militärverwaltung in Frankreich, German military administration of France.
Free France won the war along with her allies thus became the legitimate government again but until they set foot France they were in exile (yes it is possible that there are two legitimate governments at the same time given that the country is split, crazy).
I don’t know where you studied history, but Vichy France was a legal body and a continuation of the legal government of the French Third Republic. Free France were rebels and puppets of tea-makers. Between the armies of free France and the armies of Vichy France there were regular fights in North Africa.
But in conclusion Vichy France had embassies in the US and other countries, the colonies belonged to Vichy France for the most part and the “free French” recaptured them by force.
Yeah if the history was written by the nazis no doubt lucky for us was not it was written by the victorious states not by the loser wehraboos it was never legitimate state it was never accepted by majority of world powers its only legitimate powers where given by The Third Reich the moment the Americans,Canadians,British and The Real French government kicked in this false state was gone faster then it was created xD
lol losing argument I love how you skip history like Britain and France never fought against Nazis and this never happened no doubt …Dunkirk was probably some since fiction. First you twisted the topic in some late war scenario when I was talking about the beginning of the war. Then you twist real history with some fake history… The kids really need to read some history books not your fake far right website nazi alien history that never happened. You can’t have legitimate state if you haven won the war you have occupied just some land. I’m not gonna tell you how wrong your opinion not only from historic point of view but by a moral point of view also. First you support authoritarian ideas that you can take some ones land ''legitimately ‘’ by invading it with army … such a legitimate move imagine if I need to enter my house by blasting it every time with TNT … then historically is not right because to have legitimate power over some land you need first to win the war. So how did the nazis that lost the war can decide what is legitimate and what is not. Well its simple they can’t cuz they lost. All that they have done was no longer legitimate after the war that’s why we had Nuremberg and they got killed for crimes against humanity if you are a criminal can you be legitimate my friend? This is like me entering your house and then kicking you out and saying is legitimate move but guess will the police believe me ohh my god the wehraboos must be send to history gulag lessons 24/7 for the rest of their life…
ohh my god the wehraboos must be send to history gulag lessons 24/7 for the rest of their life…