Move the Bf 109 G6 to BR3 & potentially buff it's armament

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The Bf 109 G6 is currently a fight on BR4, but is underpowered for how high it’s placed. It has an average speed, turn time, and flight performance that doesn’t stand out, has the same, at this point quite weak, bombload of four 50kg bombs; the same payload of a BR1 fighter, only a single 20mm cannon with 200 rounds, and two quite meh 13mm machine guns. This selection of guns is very similar to the Bf 109 F4 Trop’s, of which the main difference is the lack of bombs and the secondary MGs being slightly better, but even that aside, the guns are underwhelming compared to the P51 and Ki-100’s.

I will show the main stats of this plane and tbe previously mentioned BR3 fighters, as well as a BR2 Axis plane, to show how they compare to each other.

Bf 109 G6

  • One 20mm MG151 with 200 rounds and two 13mm MG 131 machine guns with 600 rounds
  • four 50kg SC50JA bombs
  • 681 Kph max speed, 17 second turn time

P-51 D-5 (BR3)

  • 6x 12.7mm M2 Browning (late) machine guns with 1620 total rounds
  • two 500 pound AN-M64A1 bombs (250kg bomb equivilant)
  • 712 Kph max speed, 18 second turn time

Ki-100 (BR3)

  • Two 20mm Ho-5 cannons with 400 rounds and two 12.7mm Ho-103 machine guns with 500 rounds
  • Two 250kg Army type 92 bomb (500 pound bomb equivilant)
  • 592 Kph max speed, 15 second turn time

IAR-81 C(BR2)

  • Two 20mm MG 151 cannons with 350 rounds and two 7.92mm FN browning machine guns with 1400 rounds
  • One 250kg SC250JA (500 pound bomb equivilant) and two 50kg SC50JA bombs
  • 564 Kph max speed, 17 second turn time

As you can see, these other planes have a variety of things they do similar if not better despite being lower. One commonality is that the other fighters have much more ammunition avaliable, the Ki-100 with double (400) and the IAR with 1.75 times (350) the ammunition, and while it uses HMGs only, the P51s guns have an incredible ammount of ammunition that makes up for the loss of power. Another commonality is the weakness of the G6’s bombs compared to other fighters, two of which have dual 250kg/500lb bombs capable of great damage, and the other with a 250kg bomb and two 50kg bombs, which dwarves the four 50kg bombs this thing has. One thing the G6 does well is speed, it’s 681 Kph speed beating out the Ki-100 (592 kph) and IAR-81’s (564 kph) speed, but does lose to the P51 D in this regard, with it’s 712 Kph speed beating the G6 by a fair bit. The turn speed is average, same as the IAR’s and slightly better than the P51 D’s, but is noticably slower than the Ki-100’s 15 second turn rate.

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Overall, these other planes are either similar or better in a few key areas of the plane’s overall gameplay performance. Due to that, I propose lowering the Bf 109 G6 to BR3. Lowering it to BR3 would make it a decent plane, but it can possibly upgrade it’s armament along with the change, to make it competitive for the BR, with optional already in War Thunder and easy to carry over to Enlisted. One of the main downsides of the G6 is the weak payload for mid BR, and a potential solution to this problem is two Wfr.Gr.21 rocket launchers mounted to the wings. This option, though, might make the FW 190 A-8 a less unique. Two other ways to buff it would be external gunpods on the wings in two different calibers - 20mm and 30mm. The two 20mm MG151s on the wings would bring an extra 270 rounds total, and would increase the anti-aircraft power considerably. the 30mms would have 70 rounds total, and while slower and with less ammo than the 20mms, be effective against both infantry and air targets.

Should the Bf 109 G6 be lowered to BR3?
  • Yes
  • No
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What additional armament should be added, if any?
  • 2x 20mm gun pods (270 rounds)
  • 2x 30mm gun pods (70 rounds)
  • 2x Wfr.Gr.21 rockets
  • No change neccesary
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Almost every German plane past BR3 needs a rework or a buff. Most Japanese planes also need a similar treatment.

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The G6 is already good flight performance wise, it’s flight performance is top notch and the cannons shred. Putting this to BR3 is broken

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Broken how so? The cannon and flight performance is decent, yes, but like I pointed out in my post:

  • There is only a single 20mm cannon with not too much ammo
  • it has by far the weakest armament of any BR 3 or 4 plane, four 50kg bombs is a joke against two 250kg bombs
  • the flight performance is decent, but very similar to other planes
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or just move Ki-100 and P-51D to BR IV where they belong and give BF-109G-6 a 1x 250kg bomb?

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there is no direct competitor in it’s bracket so i’ll compare it to two planes from the Allies and Sovs.

It’s on par with the Yak 3 in performance but only slightly worse than the La-7.

It’s better compared to the P-51D5 and the AP-4C (Not mentioning the Jug since it’s a brick shithouse performance wise).

Armament wise the cannon makes a difference. It’s only competitor in it’s tech tree is the G.55. The Jump from having 8mm Mgs on the F-4 trop to the 13mms is a godsend. Seriously.

If you wanna talk about suspended armament then sure it’s weak, but people seem to forget that suspended armaments should be secondary concern on a fighter. If this was an attacker debate id put that as a downside but you should not be ground pounding with a fighter, it’s how you get people like me shooting down BF-109 f4s in a dauntless.

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Sure, but that plane also deserves a downteir. But a single 20mm cannon is nothing crazy, the Ki-100 has two of them with more ammo, and what about the P38s that have a 20mm and some 12.7s?

It’s an improvement, but not a huge one like you make it out to be, they still don’t do much in low numbers. In any plane 12.7/13 mms are secondary weapons, while the cannon/s do the real damage

Secondary concern sure, but shouldn’t be dismissed entirely. Most people play fighters as multi-role planes since they want to be able to get score and be useful after fighting enemy planes, and as a result, people just don’t play planes completely lacking or with little armament - it’s not worth it to have a specialized plane that becomes useless the second it’s job is done. Having only four 50kg bombs at high BR isn’t nearly enough, when there are fighters at earlier BRs with better payloads.

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Worth noting that the Ki-100 is very fragile… as is the IAR.

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I love that 12/13 mm are secondary weapons cannons do the real damage unless there American in which case there as good as 20/30 mm cannon lol

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Because americans strap like 8 of them on every plane at which point they get very lethal aswell.
Also mixed armaments are always worse than having only one type of guns due to diffrence in velocity and with it the diffrence in lead needed to actually hit a plane.
And the lead indicator functions only for one of them which also is making it worse.

So you eighter hit with the 1 20mm gun or the 2 13mm mgs but not both at the same time.

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them countless times ive emptied all ammo on IL2. With F1

would also point out they are all on nose of the plane. Extremely easy to score hits compared to wing mounted guns.
And its BR2.

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No f9 2 13 2 20 2 30 vs 8 12 , more smalls great keyword more

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The G.55 is stupid good, I have to start questioning if this entire post was rage bait.

Anecdotal, the 13mm is a godsend compared to the 8mm mgs on the f-4. It’s baffling this is a point of contension.

Most players cant fly either so this checks out. Seriously like what even is this arguement? ‘German players dont know how to fly their own planes so we should make it easy’. The BF-109s trade firepower for agility. These are more specialized fighters. If you need armament take the FW-190s, they have excellent guns and suspended armaments at the cost of agility. None of the G series planes should go down

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The vast majority of forum members would disagree, most people have shown that they support lowering the 109 G6 and G.55, even some members known for having great knowledge of planes like @Myrm1don (who I haven’t see active in a while, but if you are still on the forum, could please join the debate and give reasoning for either side you support, it would be much appreciated). This is a serious suggestion, and if it was “rage bait”, there would be little reason for me to defend my stance.

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Let’s say the 13mms are as good as you describe them , they’re still essentially 12.7mms though. Even if it is an upgrade from the 7.92s, there are still only two. Not a big enough upgrade to condemn it to BR4.

So the plane with terrible bombs for the rank has to stay BR4 just because it’s agile, and you have to use the BR3 flying brick with worse turn time than most attackers to have a decent armament and guns, got it. Lowering this plane and even upgrading the armament won’t be balance breaking or make anything easier than it’s competitors, especially when the P51-D, which a lot of the stats are fairly similar to, is already on BR3 and the two 500lb bombs are probably on par or a bit better than any of the proposed armament upgrades.

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You’re hoping in vain, Myr has mostly moved on to greener pastures.

The game currently is not offering much for player retention, or faith in its continued success, following blunder after blunder…

I know too many forum users who have basically thrown in the towel for Enlisted…

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He didn’t respond here in the topic obviously, but he did send me a DM yesterday with points about the topic and said I was free to quote it. Unfortunately, you are right about people going away Enlisted.

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