technically it is because it’s unlocked at the same level because fuck it
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All the things you said are exactly why it isn’t the equivalent - which is exactly what I said - thank you for your support 
As for your advice…lol - yeah - just flank it bro’ - with somehtign that is slower, has less armour and has an open top - great advice 
not!
They are introduced at the same level - so there needs to be some sort of balance in the overall system around that level, and there isn’t.
The maps are actually quite small - unless you are using somethign even smaller as a measure??
P4’s regularly and reasonably easily kill Jumbo’s without need for flanking - even P3’s can do so. The Pather has no similar weakness.
And I never played WoT - so “whooooosh” - that little jibe goes straight past as a clean miss.
Unlocked at the same tier doesn’t mean it’s counterpart, jeez ppl what mindset is this?
U constantly cry bout lack of armor,mobility or other shit. Da fuck u need armor when flanking? U would do the same I u would be given m18 hellcat or that would be ok since it’s faster.
Also again the thing that they are unlocked at the same tier doesn’t mean they are counterparts.
Go and play tunisia where in ur mindset Italian funny tank is m3 lee “counterpart”. Sooo bad. Except hold on, nobody even thinks bout comparing the two and these Italian thingies still can do shitton of dmg when USED PROPERLY.
How it is that I use steward on Normandy and I do pz4/3 pumas and all other shit as I like? Cuz I never go straight at them.
lol - yeah - because the Stuart has mobility … duh!
You constructed and excellent counter to your argument - A+ for cognitive dissonance! 
Omfg… U know what, If that will please ur long not pounded ass- u are absolutely right in everything u stated, such genious like u sir should be main developer here.
Hope that makes u good. Have a good day o mighty one. Now If u excuse me I shall shut up and stay away of this topic cuz I am the one that has absolutely narrow mind. I bow to u sir.
or you could try to have a reasonable discussion
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Comparing the two because they’re both in the game, both late-game unlocks, and posses the best tank cannon available to their side makes sense.
Exactly how many of the maps/gamemodes allow for this? Most of the games I’ve been playing have been the beaches, where the Axis starts with advantages in elevation, cover, and firepower. Sure, the conquest maps and dynamic might allow for some sneaky gameplay, but only if enemy infantry doesn’t hear your loud ass engine and drop a frag/rifle grenade in the TCs lap.
He didn’t? He pointed out that the Jumbo has better armor, but that the PzIV has the better gun. That armor was the only thing keeping the jumbo competitive, and only really a problem if you didn’t know where to shoot at it.
Oh, we know we can pen the panther. Doing any damage post-pen is part of the problem. Turret cheeks are situational shots at best, especially if the turret bug is happening where they appear to be pointed at something else but shooting at you. Then, keep in mind that Jumbo gets solid shot for AP, and it does next to zero post-pen spalling.
They’re not that big, and the biggest ones (beaches) put the panther sniping tanks on the sand from a hill in the greyzone, good luck flanking that.
Honestly, that would have been a better choice. It’s faster, which would make it more capable of peek-and-shoot ambush tactics and harder to track/hit, easier to get out of bad situations and avoid infantry grenades and AT weapons, and still be lightly armored enough to be murdered by any armed vehicle driven or flown by the axis. The M10 is slow, badly armored compared to what it has to fight, and the M7 cannon isn’t up to the job of fighting the late-stage unlock that is the Panther in most situations the game forces you into.
There was almost a good discussion going here, even if it was off-topic, until the mud slinging started.
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