Hello People of the Forum, i came here today to discuss a change to our current Weapons.
the MKB 42 (H) has almost identical Status compared to the STG45 (which is BR 4) the only real change is the +50 rate of fire which results from 450 rate of fire to 500, which isnt a big thing when compared to other weapons.
the MKB 42 could work as a earlier assault rifle which currently in BR 5 its useless as most people just usually wait til the STG44 since it aint really usefull in any form in such BR, my suggestion is to change the BR of the MKB 42 (H) to BR IV
The offical argument against lowering Mkb42(H) was that all other factions would ask for something similar to be added, however this argument did not age well considering that the Japanese assault rifle, the Type 2A(6.5mm) has been lowered to BRIV anyway in the last update rather than fixing it’s magazine size.
It would be nothing but pure hypocrisy if the Mkb42(H) which is inferior to Type 2A(6.5mm) in all regards besides the magazine would not get lowered.
lets be real, the MKB 42 isnt that good in general, and in most factions they have pretty powerfull stuff at BR 4 already, just upgrade a Thompson you got something way better than a MKB 42 in fire rate mainly with similar damage, the Soviets has a 73 or 71 round mag (the PPD) in BR 4 already, the Germans only has a single SMG in BR IV which is the Kiraly, people barely use it, most other factions already have something powerfull in BR IV except the Germans, all im saying.
This argument never made any sense to begin with. Kiraly is already a high damaging auto gun - but its just in every aspect better than MKB42 other than recoil.
500 rpm is bad, but 450 rpm is increadibly terrible. Those small increases for slow rate of fire guns make a big difference.
The suggestion isn’t unthinkable but not by simply bringing it down to BR 4. It still needs some finetuning. Multiple people also made arguments that don’t survive an in depth evaluation and don’t help the suggestion this way.
This is not a solid comparison to begin with. The STG45 is a premium squad with a max of 5 soldiers having it. The MkB 42 (H) is a tech tree gun with which you could equip your team to cycle through squads. The impact on the match would be entirely different, also making uptiers against Germany harder and as others have mentioned the allies currently don’t even have anything compareable to tighten the gap.
Stats wise the MkB 42 sits between the STG 45 and the STG 44 as the margin of differences isn’t that big and the main differences are really only the RoF. So it’s already a fine line between BR 4 and BR 5 territory here.
20 bullets vs 30
7.8 dmg vs 9.6.
600 velocity vs 680
840 RoF vs 500
0.53 Dispersion vs 0.46
1.0 ADS vs 0.7
That’s 5 advantages for the MkB vs 1 for the Type 2A. I’d pick an MkB over a Type2a anytime without it even being a close call. The could adapt the stats a bit though to adapt more to BR IV territory.
7.9 vs 9.6 dmg
445 vs 680 velocity
40 vs 30 rounds
2.0 vs 2.6 reload
870 vs 500 RoF
Slightly better Recoil control in favor of the MkB
0.70 Dispersion vs 0.53
The differences make it apparent that the Kiraly and the MkB have different effective ranges and thus purposes. The Kiraly mostly works at short ranges. The MkB is a medium range gun. To me that’s actually an argument that the MkB could properly coexist next to the Kiraly. Germany would technically get a advantage though for having proper options for all ranges to fight on.
The US doesnt even have a dedicated BR 4 rifle yet (this could be solved) and in general it could also be considered if the Soviets and US could get an automatic gun that properly works on medium ranges. For the US perhaps one of the various experimental Select Fire Rifles (not an ideal solution historical credibility wise but it’d work) and for the Soviets by e.g. bringing the Fedorov Avtomat down to BR 4 and adapting the damage as this gun doesn’t really have a historical justification to be on BR 5 in the first place.
I can kill targets at 150 Meters with Kiraly fine enough, I dont think what you call an advantage is all that big to begin with.
Also to say it can’t be BR4 because allied and sovs dont have such “class of weapon” makes no sense.
MKB is just a big MP40, technically it even has less time to kill up close. Also Germany doesnt have a drum SMG, not to mention they have no BR5 SMG at all, doesn’t stop the other factions from getting new stuff, or gear rebalanced changes.
Only thing that matters is overall effectiveness, and MKB is obviously not a BR5 gun.
i do agree on the Fedorov take as long as its nerfed to be properly fit in the BR, i dont have any suggestions for the nerf apart from increase in recoil, the damage may be kept as its basically an LMG classified as an assault rifle (same cartridge as the Japanese type 38 and type 96) so maybe just an increase in recoil and dispersion can make the Fedorov a competitor to the MKB 42 H in BR 4, for the americans they could add some prototype gun or another .30 cal Rifle.
a stat card comparison since Enlisted resource is not yet updated.
Actual recoil are:
mkb42(H) 11 vertical; 3 horizontal;
Type2a(6.5mm): 10 vertical; 3 horizontal;
Just because you can kill someone with it on 150m range doesn’t make for a valid point though. When two equally good players meet at 150m, one with a Kiraly and one with an MkB 42 - who will come out on top? It’s in the stats which gun is better suited for this task and those are what matter for a proper evaluation in order to keep this game as fair and fun as possible.
It may make no sense to you but as Valkay said it seems to make sense for the devs. If you want to prove them wrong you need to come up with a sound argument.
Suomi KP/-31 and MP 717(r). You see them very rarely though as there are better options in general for BR V already in the tech tree. Not really a loss here for Germany therefor. I only use them on my vehicle crews and you don’t really need them here either.
MP40 and MkB aren’t compareable as they are literally different gun design concepts.
You mean that statement based solely on imagination and overdramatization that the Type2A would be inferior in all regards except magazine size and thus it would be “pure hypocrisy” if it wouldn’t be lowered to IV? That statement got factually debunked and it invalidates the conclusion you drew from it.
So far there’s no reason to expect they changed the stats significantly as the only mention of the Type 2a 6.5 in the recent changelog was a “reduce of spread” which most likely refers to hipfire accuracy. We can continue this discussion when Euthymia updated the page.
Where do you take this information from? Enlisted Resource still claims 7 / 3.
I don’t think even the bigger disparity makes for a noticeable difference though hence why I didn’t included it in the first comparison.
Obviously not with it’s BR 5 stats…
People made the argument that the Avtomat should rather be used as a soviet alternative to the BAR on BR 3 and I agree that this would be a somewhat more historically accurate representation of this gun due to it’s limitations irl but in the end this game highly bends credibility whenever it feels like it, especially in regards of damage, and the devs could transform this gun into whatever they deem best for the game balance wise.
The Avtomat gives the Soviets an unnecessary and unfair advantage as the Axis has nothing compareable. This is an example where “not having access to something compareable” actually makes an ingame difference.
The Avtomat used the rather weak 6.5×50mmSR Arisaka round thus it never really made sense how this gun would do noticeably more damage than the AS-44 7.62×39mm. The StG 44 also had a historically better performing round than the Avtomat btw.
