Me262 could carry 2 500 Kg bombs

[VoyoMayPL]

I have no idea why you guys even bother to mention irl data. It’s meaningless in enlisted.
Unless you do it for educational purposes, then ignore my rambling.

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@ParaDivision

the problem many people have when doing “research” on the internet is that they only try to prove a particular point instead of doing open minded 360° research, which includes trying to find sources for ones point and trying to disprove ones point, to achieve argumentative completeness.

See the pic from Messerschmitt Me 262: development, testing, production by Willy Radinger again, it literally demonstrates that the Germans tried and then scrapped the 1000kg payload because it was impractical. There is then no further discussion about them picking up the project again. That should be more than enough to shut this case.

@ParaDivision

to make it simple: what matters for enlisted is what was possible for a plane version, not what the plane version used to exactly have. as long as a version could theoretically do something, its viable for enlisted.

No, this is fundamentally not true. Adding vehicles to Enlisted requires the same level of historical accuracy as War Thunder, which requires knowledge of the specific variant and its armament. This has been the case since day one, especially for planes, as the devs directly take models from War Thunder in this regard. As such, War Thunder’s policy on historical loadout is also Enlisted’s policy.

[Dregomz]

Enlisted vehicles are not affected by newton laws so if it could attach 2x 1000kg bombs irl and affect plane negatively it won’t do that in Enlisted.

[ParaDivision]

your statements contradict what the game does:

• meteor has physically, mechanically, technically and historically impossible flying stats (turn rate of 13)
  if the american equivalent of the me262 is allowed to break fundamental lows of nature with its turn time, then the me262 is allowed to use setups that are - by your own post - proven to have been tested, making them infinitely more realistic than the meteors stats
• for game balance either the meteor needs a nerf and/or the me262 (all 3 in the game) need buffs, especially the japanese one
• the only reason there is a similarity of warthunder and enlisted regarding vehicle realism is that enlisted recycles warthunder models instead of wasting time making new ones, there is no special, high order reason for both having the same vehicles than this one. also enlisted often times gets straight up worse vehicles, as warthunder uses uptodate models, whereas enlisted still has 10 year old, bugged models like the FW190 in the game. which btw also have flight models that go against basic mechanics and laws of physics (just see how the FW190 wobble around)
• many prototypes in the game have made up stats. eg there are no documents showing the exact driving characteristics of something like the HoRi, as there was never one completed and its completely speculative which engines, transmissions etc would have been used to complete a real, working version. blueprints dont even matter that much, as building prototypes and testing these usually changes a large amount of what was thought possible during the blueprint stage
  → assuming warthunder standards as being automatically realistic is a fallacy, as warthunder is quite old game by now that reached the prototype/theory stage for ww2 vehicles long ago. warthunder even had to lie (accidently to my knowledge) with a random making up hori stats to put the tank into the game.

QED, my point of buffing the me262 versions in enlisted stands as expedient & adequate

[ZOMBERWARRIOR15-live]

Then the correct thing would be to convert it into an A-2A Jabo to the Me 262 of the game Obviously without removing 2 of the 4 30mm cannons and adding the other 500kg bomb

Although there is also the Meteor MK3 which has a Very Fast Turning Speed for a Jet Then the same will be done with the Me 262?

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@ParaDivision

meteor has physically, mechanically, technically and historically impossible flying stats (turn rate of 13)
if the american equivalent of the me262 is allowed to break fundamental lows of nature with its turn time, then the me262 is allowed to use setups that are - by your own post - proven to have been tested, making them infinitely more realistic than the meteors stats

War Thunder has a long history of buffing every single aircraft’s ability to turn by a factor of about 1.5 more than physically possible, and this is seen in things previously in brought over to this game like the the Zero and Ju 188. This has carried over to Enlisted, where planes can somewhat turn like UFOs now including the Meteor.

@ParaDivision

the only reason there is a similarity of warthunder and enlisted regarding vehicle realism is that enlisted recycles warthunder models instead of wasting time making new ones, there is no special, high order reason for both having the same vehicles than this one. also enlisted often times gets straight up worse vehicles, as warthunder uses uptodate models, whereas enlisted still has 10 year old, bugged models like the FW190 in the game. which btw also have flight models that go against basic mechanics and laws of physics (just see how the FW190 wobble around)

This is fundamentally untrue, the devs have long been unable to actually make any new models for aircraft outside of a single instance of the Soviet A-20, which we now know was done by a staff that is no longer at the company.

@ParaDivision

assuming warthunder standards as being automatically realistic is a fallacy, as warthunder is quite old game by now that reached the prototype/theory stage for ww2 vehicles long ago. warthunder even had to lie (accidently to my knowledge) with a random making up hori stats to put the tank into the game.

I am not assuming War Thunder’s standards have any special quality, I am saying that any vehicle that gets added to Enlisted needs to go through War Thunder, and for a vehicle as well known as a 262 variant, there is functionally a null chance they messed anything like maximum armament capacity up. Therefore, since War Thunder’s 262 Jabo does not have anything more than a 500kg bomb, which is backed up by a mountain of other sources, it should be clear that the Jabo cannot carry more than a single 500kg bomb.

@ParaDivision

for game balance either the meteor needs a nerf and/or the me262 (all 3 in the game) need buffs, especially the japanese one

This is your only point with any merit, however the issue of balancing is basically impossible here as no model exists with the Meteor or the P-80 with smaller bomb loads. The P-80 has an HVAR loadout, but that would arguably make the situation worse. None of the contemporary jets have a similar payload as well, making it impossible to balance. Your only recourse here is to beg the War Thunder devs to make a model for the P-80 and Meteor with smaller bombs, but that is also unlikely to ever happen as the WT devs have been slowly removing redundant CAS options on aircraft, and the Meteor only got it’s pair of bombs relatively recently.

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@ZOMBERWARRIOR15

Then the correct thing would be to convert it into an A-2A Jabo to the Me 262 of the game Obviously without removing 2 of the 4 30mm cannons and adding the other 500kg bomb

Again, the A-2A cannot carry more than a single 500kg bomb, as seen from The Me 262 Stormbird: From the Pilots Who Flew, Fought, and Survived It by Colin D. Heaton and Anne-Marie Lewis, a source you provided yourself.

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Also, the A-2a version isn’t even in War Thunder, so the devs cannot even steal a model for it even if it had the larger payload.

@ZOMBERWARRIOR15

Although there is also the Meteor MK3 which has a Very Fast Turning Speed for a Jet Then the same will be done with the Me 262?

The meteor is an aircraft that notoriously turns very well due to it’s incredibly large wing area. The 262 is an aircraft that notoriously turns very badly even compared to it’s contemporaries both IRL and in WT which the models for are stolen from, and the WT model is already buffed along the same lines as the Meteor.

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@秋YUI绘_Beaver食過炸蛋

Again, the A-2A cannot carry more than a single 500kg bomb, as seen from The Me 262 Stormbird: From the Pilots Who Flew, Fought, and Survived It by Colin D. Heaton and Anne-Marie Lewis, a source you provided yourself.

You do know that you are indirectly proving me right about the bomb loads, right?

The guns affirm my Argument for the Heavy Bomber, Also mention that it should be Kilos not Pounds as it is a mistake when the author wanted to refer to the Kg of Luftwaffe bombs

It also does not mention the Maximum Weight of the Bombs it can carry if not the configuration And 1000kg is what it can carry as maximum

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@ZOMBERWARRIOR15

The guns affirm my Argument for the Heavy Bomber, Also mention that it should be Kilos not Pounds as it is a mistake when the author wanted to refer to the Kg of Luftwaffe bombs

Except it literally states both units of measurement, and explicitly says it’s 500kg. Also that bit you highlighted in the passage is a completely different 262 variant (the D variant), which you would know if you read further down the passage. I am beginning to think you haven’t even read the book you tried to cite.

@ZOMBERWARRIOR15

It also does not mention the Maximum Weight of the Bombs it can carry if not the configuration And 1000kg is what it can carry as maximum

This is literally your source saying that the A-2a only ever carried these bombs. So what if it could theoretically carry a million more, it is evident that the service 262s were only ever equipped with 500kgs at most, and therefore there is no need to give the Jabo, a potential A-2a if that ever gets added, or any other 262 variant anything more.