I can easily destroy KT with Super Pershing, KT drivers are generally noobs who think they are invincible. But KT is much superior against infantry, with more HE and less reload time.
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They already have a gun with over 230mm of penetration, chassis armor that only the Jagdtiger can penetrate easily and efficiently.Reload time is not a problem for the Tiger 2H They were already given an equally strong toy to fight with, so they shouldnât complain.
I didnât want to get into this discussion, but the KT is superior in armor, you can even kill the SP from the front with BR4 tanks like the Panther and Tigerh1, but only some of the American and Soviet BR5 tanks can destroy the KT from the front.
| Germany | Explosive Mass | Penetration 0° / 30° / 60° | 0% / 50% / 100% | Pen 0° / 30° / 60° | Blast Wave | Fragments | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cannon/Machine Gun Name | What uses it? | Ammo Type (AP) | Velocity | TNT Equivalent | ||||||||||||
| 88mm KwK 43 | Tiger II (P) Tiger II (H) | APCBC (PzGr 39/43) | 1000 | 108,8 | 237 / 180 / 79 | 234 / 177 / 78 | 222 / 168 / 75 | 48° / 63° / 71° | HE (Sprgr.43) | 820 | 19 / 18 / 14 | 266,66 | 0.32 - 3.03m | 520 | 16.66m | 18,68 |
| 90mm T15E1 | T26E1-1 | APCR (T44 Shot) | 1143 | 0,0 | 336 / 249 / 75 | 330 / 245 / 73 | 304 / 225 / 68 | 66° / 70° / 72° | HE (T42 Shell) | 975 | 25 / 25 / 13 | 263,54 | 0.29 - 3.03 | 583 | 16.35m | 18,36 |
| 90mm M3 | M26 M26 T99 | APCR (M304 Shot) | 1021 | 0,0 | 287 / 212 / 67 | 281 / 208 / 65 | 259 / 192 / 60 | 66° / 70° / 72° | HE (M71 Shell) | 823 | 20 / 20 / 16 | 275,48 | 0.40 - 3.04m | 568 | 17.39m | 19,42 |
As you can see, both Pershings have slightly stronger HE than both Tiger II.
You can use Pershing instead of Superpersh if 2s longer reload than KT is a problem for you since Persh reloads even faster than KT and can still pen KT with APCR.
grass is always greener syndrome, nothing more, both Superpersh and KT are very comparable and excellent tanks.
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Two seconds is very important against infantry. This was the difference that caused the PZ3N to be nerfed.
The m26 has very bad armor.
Just like the Tiger 2H and besides that is not HE ammunition
TNT is very important in anti-tank shells, if you want to destroy a tank with non-TNT ammunition, you have to hit the ammo rack. But with a lot of TNT, you just need to penetrate the tank.
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You have TNT ammo that can penetrate the Tiger 2H, I donât see the problem.
I want a Me 262 with Panzerblitz 2 and 500kg bombs as a counterpart to the P-47
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Funny how they had no such problem when dedicating 80% of the burma update just to the US faction and the other 20 % to japan.
If you think destructive power means balance, build AA.
And Iâm tired of arguing with the German faction fanatics, cry in your own privacy.
Gaijin oppresses the Japanese, they start adding content to Germany while having the most TT weapons and vehicles, and giving the Japanese nothing, yet the Japanese faction players are much more appreciative than the German players who are always crying.
You come to cry in a Me 262 Publication where the Other 500kg Bomb is requested for the Jabo version And you bring up the topic that Germany should not have the same air power as SPAM bombs and rockets From the Allies already suffering with the Tiger 2H when in December they received the Super Pershing,I also see your complaints about HE shells loading slower than the Tigerâs 88
Youâre just crying and Valkay already gave you the statistics but youâre Foolish not to want to see thisâŚ
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He intentionally compared it to a wrong bullet, and now you are the one crying:
oh p47! DF pls delete it!
oh df pls give a plane jet with 1000kg bomb, i canât win againts soviet with KT, FG42 II and mg42100
If anyone doesnât consider KT to be the most OP tank in the game they are either stupid, or a German faction fanatic, they are both the same anyway.
Sorry I just felt the need to put my two cents into the matter about tank balance, the idea that the SP is equal to the 2H is just patently silly. The SP still has to pixel-snipe the same flat turret face part of the 2H that everyone else has to in order to frontally penetrate it while the 2H can still just centre of mass the SPâs hull straight to God, and from what I can tell the SP turretâs weakspots are also more generous.
In addition, any slight advantages in performance the SPâs HE shell might have over the 2Hâs is completely meaningless considering the former has a significantly slower reload speed.
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Thatâs already a Super Pershing problem, not a Tiger 2H problem. It doesnât matter if it takes longer to load, it has more weak points than its German counterattack.Also mention that you have Armor gifted by a Panther in the Super Pershing Mantel If with all that they canât fight against the Tiger 2H thatâs already a Skill Problem of the Allied player base And not the Super Pershing, which has a cannon that penetrates more than 230mm more than the 185mm of armor that the Tiger 2 has.
So complaining is not a favorable option for a good Allied base player unless they are disabled to deal with this.
A Me 262 with 2 500kg bombs, I hope to see it soon.
I donât really know what youâre point is, I already stated that the Super Pershingâs gun can penetrate the 185mm flat part of the turret front. Nothing you say refutes my statement that the Super Pershing is not as powerful of a tank as the Tiger 2H.
I am looking at this and para you get some things wrong, the 262 Jabo is correct in game as itâs the swallow in the R/6 modification (r meaning field) which both it and the A2 Sturmvogel could carry a single 500 kilo or 2 250 kilo. Sturmvogel is lighter as it lacks two of the 30mms
This is also incorrect U would have been used to set one versions from another but all 262 would have a number after the letter like this me262c-2b. Yes that is a real version of the 263, another example is this me262A-1A/U1 is the squadron vehicle in war thunder
Wrong. Even the dedicated bomber variant of the 262, the A-2a cannot carry more than a single 500kg bomb. It was only trialled on a testbed and scrapped for being impractical.
From Messerschmitt Me 262 : development, testing, production by Willy Radinger, page 68
From The Me 262 Stormbird: From the Pilots Who Flew, Fought, and Survived It by Colin D. Heaton and Anne-Marie Lewis, page 56 and 74 respectively
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I explained across multiple posts that there is flexibility within the game to use different modifications that are close to the one ingame.
people confuse naming patterns of planes, especially highly modified ones.
name additions like U or R werent always applied. if an engineer/pilot/mechanic decided to change something within the technical possibilities before a mission, he did so and the plane now had more/less ammo, more/less bombload, more/less fuel etc. these planes then were flying and performing without the name of this particular plane being changed. the changes came mostly from the production lines, but didnt reflect spontaneous infield modifications.
for that the only thing that matters is what was technically possible and its proven that the A2 version could carry 1000 Kg bombload overall based on structural integrity and flying performence, though with severe flying penalties.
the problem many people have when doing âresearchâ on the internet is that they only try to prove a particular point instead of doing open minded 360° research, which includes trying to find sources for ones point and trying to disprove ones point, to achieve argumentative completeness.
e.g. in order to claim the me262 couldnt carry 1000kg, it doesnt help to find sources that show it carried just 500kg. its necessary to check all sources and see whether no talk about 1000kg.
obv rare modifications/exceptions are rarer to find, especially in documents.
a basic google search offered me over 10 sources talking about technically possible bombloads that were tested on real 262A2 planes. here is the one that many originally refer to and thats a book serious with the most in depth me262 analysis.
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to make it simple: what matters for enlisted is what was possible for a plane version, not what the plane version used to exactly have. as long as a version could theoretically do something, its viable for enlisted. we wouldnt even need direct proofs of test flights with 1000kg bombload, just the mention of the plane being technically capable of carrying 1000kg is enough. arguing about congruence to microdetails is not expedient for this discussion.
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