this is something that has annoyed me for a long time in this game. when something kills me when i am playing vehicles i want to know if that was specific tank, AA or plane. information that 12.7mm or 20mm or 75mm killed me does absolutely nothing when there are loads of things with same caliber in same faction. so if tiger killed me i want to see tiger in kill feed and not having to memorize caliber length to deduce if it was tiger or KT or ferdinand or 88 flak vehicle.
pretty easy to differentiate what vehicle it is you get killed by… i do it all the time when i or someone else gets killed by a tank… plane though eh but do you really need to know?
great… have people remember all gun(and bomb) names for 100+ tanks and ~100 planes of which there are vehicles with same gun(and bomb) name
great for you. i can generally get idea of what tank killed me, but even then there are times when i am in doubt if what killed me is e.g. KT(P) or KT(H) or jumbo vs regular sherman which require different tactics for killing them depending on tank you are using. that is with me playing this game 4+ years and actually investing time to learn the game(unlike majority of players). can you imagine average enlisted player knowing this?
i guess you dont fly if you have to ask that question. when i see that someone is getting killed by 30mm gun, i want to know if what is killing them is bf-110, bf-109, fw-190, me262 or if they are getting killed by kugelblitz. i need to know where my plane outperforms enemy so i can prepare best strategy against them or if it even is the plane that is killing my teammates(or me).
ffs today i saw 30mm in kill feed killing my teammates planes and i automatically took plane to deal with the situation, just to find out that there was no plane in the sky after searching for 2-3 minutes and that it was kugelblitz that in the meanwhile got destroyed was responsible for destroying 20+ planes.
btw should infantry weapons be referred to caliber in kill feed instead of gun name?
i mean if you really care about this it’s not that hard to know…in BR3 500lb an blah blah bomb you know that’s p-51 or AP1… 100kg gp it’s a breda 88… 200kg it’s potez… 50kg combined with 250 it’s a IAR or Stuka… 500kg it’s a stuka… 100lb it’s most likely p-40… 50kg it’s likely bf 109
Tanks? Easy as well… 75 kwk it’s any of the stubby panzers… bonus points if you recognize the barrel length… 50mm you know it’s pz 3j and the puma has a different barrel designation.
20mm on the oz 2 i have found confusing sometimes i mistake it for AA
75mm M(x) any of the sherman’s which doesn’t matter which one… 57mm QF it’s a crusader… 37mm it’s a stuart… 20mm it’s an AA… 12.7 M2HB it’s the halftrack
Average player doesn’t need this knowledge.
Doesn’t really change the intended strategy of flying around and looking for them and placing yourself behind them… just the ease of it… and i’d argue that’s good… you shouldn’t receive that knowledge simply by someone getting killed by it…
And kugelblitz? It has a very recognizable designation in the feed it’s like mk 103/something which nothing else has.
Sorry to say but that’s skill issue… kugel has been out long enough to realize it’s unique designation in the kill feed… regardless you should have been looking for tank anyway if you got in a plane… also that means you lack game sense as you didn’t realize there wasn’t plane in sky or the very recognizable firing noise of kugelblitz.
I wouldn’t care… vehicle gameplay sometimes require unique strategies to come out in the top and i think this is handholding.
Or any of the Shermans with one on top
Then this could be realized by the spamming of their 75mm in the kill feed… but yes that is less recognizable than the 7.92
great that you did analysis for 1 BR. when you are on BR5 it can be anything preceding it.
not really.
here is list of just german 75mm:
75mm 75/32 mod.37 Cannon, 75mm KwK37 Cannon, 75mm PaK40/3 L46 Cannon, 75mm StuK 40 L43 Cannon, 75mm KwK40 L43 Cannon, 75mm KwK40 L48 Cannon, 75mm KwK42 Cannon
even if i just look at 75mm kwk, it can be anything from pz3. N, pz4 E to panther. i know most of these designations, but even then i can hardly recognize pz3 from pz4 with short 75mm or like i said before KT(P) from KT(H) from ferdinand.
except when it is jumbo and then it matters.
or basically any US tank with top MG.
exactly. that is why they need enemy tanks and planes spelled directly and not after hours of researching what tank or plane has what gun.
and you shouldnt receive knowledge of enemy guns… or knowledge of enemy score, or knowledge of kill feed. yet somehow we do.
cool. but i dont want to spend time decoding what is exactly killing my teammates instead of it being simply written.
long enough?
i play with music on and enlisted sound turned down. i didnt even think about kugelblitz cause i forgot that it was even in the game, just saw 30mm which i usually associate with planes.
shall we also remove vehicle marking cause that is more hand holding that kill feed actually is?
lol. I mean this is all i needed to see… and you are requiring handholding for game sense? Perhaps dedicate more attention to the game and you’d know what’s killing your team.
Pasta coffin, stubby pz 3s, AT gun or very rare jadgoanzer, Stug, PZ 4, PZ 4J and Panther… really the only one that may be confusing are the last three which i did go in game to check… kwk 42 means panther and kwk 40 means pz 4 which H, F2 and J both are easy to kill so even then doesnt matter.
This is a you issue and if you care so much you should learn the proper designations instead of requiring handholding from the killfeed. kwk 37 means stubby and kwk 40 means long barrel.
If you’re fighting jumbos you’re in high BR in which case there shouldn’t be any base sherman’s anyway… even then what, are you going to spawn in a different tank just to fight it? Easy to tell if jumbo or base sherman shooting with AT or tank… if you require this then i doubt you can hit mg port anyway.
This is true… but again i don’t think it’s necessary to instantly know what tank is on the battlefield if they are racking up kills in the feed… in fact i enjoy trying to figure out what type it is in that case.
What? Why does the average player need this knowledge… if they’re in a tank you can either pen or not pen and you either win or lose… knowing the type of vehicle they are using doesn’t really change that outcome… average player doesn’t cycle tanks or has multiple for different uses as well… planes too… plane is up needs to be killed if you care… knowing what type is minimal… you should be approaching the same and then you can recognize if its attacker or fighter usually by the silhouette
You don’t need to… you know there is a tank or plane killing your team, simple… then deal with the problem accordingly… shouldn’t have to handhold you while you’re listening to music
Again… you are handicapping your game sense and then asking for something to pad your ability to have it… doesn’t make sense.
I wish. On US server I see this thing in virtually every BR3 game. One guy spawned it 7 times in two games.
(But I agree with your topic)
Sounds like a QOL improvement rather than “skill” you are so fond with.
But if this “skill” is the hill you want to die on, no ones stopping you.
Now i’ve criticized those who use this argument but this would require it to be done on every vehicle which are quite a few… and i don’t see that to be a net positive… you don’t need to know the vehicle.
Regardless of knowledge required to recognize them as they are now i think it is better as you don’t know exactly what killed you… just a general idea.
well idk is there option to turn off the killfeed or not.
But same can be achieved with few strips of duct tape.
This way you can always count on your superior gamesense skills.
I think seeing that if it’s plane or tank is good… just that the exact type is overkill.
no, this is issue of bad kill feed design. why should any player need to learn technical names of 75mm guns for every tank out there? even if you learn every gun and every tank, you still cant be certain what tank you are against.
just look at this(not complete list)
| Cannon/Machine Gun Name | What uses it? |
|---|---|
| 88mm PaK 43 | Jagdpanther, Bfw. Jagdpanther G1, Ferdinand |
| 88mm KwK 43 | Tiger II (P), Tiger II (H) |
| 90mm M3 | M26, M36 GMC, M26 T99 |
| 76mm M1 | M4A3E2 (76) W, M4A2 (76) W, M4A2 (76), M18 GMC, M4A1 (76) W |
| 75mm M3 | Sherman II, M4A1, M4A2, M4A3E2, M8A1 GMC |
| 40mm QF-2Pdr | A13 Mk II, A13 Mk II 1939, Daimler Mk II, Matilda, A.C.1 |
| 37mm M5 | M2A4, M3 Stuart, M3 Flamethrower, Mk I “Grant”, M3 Lee |
| 85mm D-5T | T-34-85 (D-5T), IS-1, IS-1 ('45) |
| 75mm Type II Model II | Chi-To, Chi-Nu II, Chi-To Late |
that is incomplete list just for tanks with same gun, not to mention you have loads of other with same caliber that have difference in one letter/number or length.
great for you. go play puzzle games then. even WT has tank in kill feed and it is more hardcore than enlisted.
why doesnt average player need this knowledge? simply knowing if they can pen the tank changes their strategy. can they win in frontal confrontation? do they need to flank? does enemy tank have any weak spots? all of this can be learned over time if player has information of what is out there.
game is full of elements that pad your ability way more than name of the vehicle in kill feed. why dont you remember how many rounds you shot? why do you have map markers and vehicle markers? why do you have HUD? score tab? kill feed? player rank? why can your engineer magically spawn things out of thin air? why do your weapons come with recoil buff? why do you have perks that reduce recoil or increase vitality? why do console players have aim assist? and now you are making stupid argument about skill issue/game sense for something other games normally have.
well i dont play BR3. on BR5 it is rare and on BR2 people dont spawn as often cause there are often games with no planes spawned.
How is third person more hardcore?
perspective<>hardcore. afaik WT sim mode disables most “game assists”, so if he wants real vehicle battle where he can show his gamer skills he can do WT.
there isn’t much skill regarding recognizing the ordnance… only memorization.
Warthunder is also much more competitive.
Simply put i don’t think it’s necessary to know the exact vehicle the enemy is using purely by if they sr getting kills with it… the pop up of either aircraft guns, tank cannons and bombs is enough to give you a general idea.
You know if you need to flank by seeing the vehicle and then making moves accordingly.
I main 5… if you also do that i find it laughable you haven’t gained this ability to recognize the vehicles based on ordnance… maybe you should turn the game volume back up and take it more seriously if you care so much.
^^
tank destroyers bearing 88’s
Tiger 2s.
Pershing’s… M36 doesn’t matter as it’s already mince meat.
76 Ws… the jumbo could be confusing… regardless what are you doing in 5 without tiger 2 which can melt jumbos?
Basic sherman’s… a premium tank nobody uses
British light tanks… ACI could be challenging i suppose.
Stuart’s… the grant will also be getting kills with 75mm which you can see.
T-34-IS1… tiger 1 can easily deal with both.
Japanese long barrels?
What’s your point? I don’t think you should be expected to memorize these but if you are using the killfeed to know there is a tank up then that’s also a mystery… maybe if you saw it you’d know… why should it tell you exactly what you need to do without even seeing it?
anyone using tiger E is on BR 5 or tiger h1/west on BR4 benefit from knowing if it is paper thin m36, regular sherman or jumbo.
also just do meta squad lineups and ignore everything else. why even bother with other tanks when you can always just choose strongest one for the BR. also ignore anyone grinding and getting uptiered against tanks that they cant frontally pen without knowing weaknesses.
point is that even with memorizing all gun barrels you cant know the tank by kill feed. at best you can narrow down 2-5 tanks if you know their exact designation or 10-15 tanks if you just know their caliber. like i said before, i can approximately tell what tank it is based on gun, but i dont want to bother with thinking about that for couple of seconds when game can just show me what tank or plane is on the field.