To make it simple, it’s the most overpowered and overused BR 3 HE clicker, and it deserves an uptier to BR 4 along with adding its M67 HEAT shot.
Should the 105 be moved to br 4 with HEAT
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I would rather see a separate modification on the BR4 with cumulative shells and enhanced armor.
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This tank is probably the most broken one in the game along with KV-1 on BR 3.
The fact that USA usually fights in the Normandy/Pacific/Bulge invasion game mode maps with lots of open field make things even worse.
While at it, there’s this weird shaking bug going on 105mm Sherman that the tank just constantly shaking up and down even on the flat terrain should be fixed as well.
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The HEAT shells would only make it so the 105 can side pen the tanks it can’t already overpressure, so I’m in favor of moving it as long as it still has a majority HE instead of a majority HEAT.
Moving it to BR4 and giving it a majority HEAT loadout would be overkill.
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105mm HEAT does have 130mm of penetration so it could penetrate Tiger/Panther(If, for some reason you don’t want to overpressure them with HE and just want to directly penetrate their frontal armor) and while it’s rare sight, could deal with Jagdpanzer 4 easily which hard to overpressure due to it’s design.
Beside, it’s 105mm HEAT will still have enough HE power to erase infantry anyway so i wouldn’t care much for how much HEAT will replace it’s HE.
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with 66 rounds even with a 50/50 split between HE and HEAT you will almost never be able to fully deplete the 33 rounds of HE or if you did odds areit doesnt matter as it is a stomp.
So additional HEAT would only be an upside.
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That’s why I said a majority HEAT loadout would be a nerf, a 50/50 split would still be a buff
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What is it even doing at BR 4 with a 105mm HE shell? It lacks HEAT rounds—what is its purpose at BR 4?
Combat effectiveness: Despite the difficulty of aiming, archival records document instances where 105mm Shermans successfully engaged German Panther and even Tiger I tanks head-on using HEAT rounds.
This shell could reliably—and with 100% certainty—penetrate the Tiger and Panther only in the side or rear from a range of up to 400–500 meters.
just read the suggestion again…
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3BR is basically dead in the US hardly anyone plays it there I mostly run into 4BR matches. I’m planning to switch to 5BR or 2BR I’m tired of playing against 4BR.
Did you even play 3BR, or did you not notice that 4BR comes up against 3BR more often?
Here are the reasons why I plan to leave 3BR.
If Br 3 was so unplayable for you that you dont even play it anymore then why would you care about BR 3 losing the 105?
I do play it and “ohh no I cant only seal club BR 2 exclusively anymore, what a shame”…
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And that’s not to mention how squads operate as a coordinated unit of three or four players, communicating via voice chat—or that time about two weeks ago when I had to play against a seven-person team sharing the same clan tag facing them was simply impossible. Believe me, if you realize you’re up against a group like that—one that’s coordinated and using voice chat—don’t even try to compete. Just quit the match it’s not worth wasting your time or getting frustrated over it.
I don’t think it would stand up too good in BR 4 (poor armor), if it’s real bad they should de tune the reload speed a bit, that might help… (disclaimer I’m a US main but respect the fact that it is fairly powerful and a bit meta). another thing that doesn’t necessarily help is that aiming panzerfaust’s is nowhere near as easy as using a M9 launcher especially at range, the new BR3 Japanese launcher feels pretty on par with an M9 so the Japanese might be better off when taking on the M4A3 at range.
I fully support this suggestion.
Currently, Sherman 105 at 3 BR is much more imbalanced than Pz3N was at 2 BR.
As we know, Pz3N was moved to 3 BR. Likewise, Sherman 105 should be moved to 4 BR.
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I never really understood why it was moved down from BR4 in the first place.
Its effective frontal armour protection is about 100mm on the turret and 80 to 90mm on the hull. It would still be about average armour at BR4… While its impossible to fight with most BR2 tanks and even StuG III F and Chi-Ha LG can struggle with it.
The only “weakspot” is the hull machine gun, but penetrating a sherman through it feels impossible in a real match since about a year now. Im not exactly sure why though: maybe you need to be too perfectly aligned for the shell to pass through or the machine gun somehow magically eats up the shell, whatever be the case, its not exploitable with tanks, AT launchers are a different question but those have more than enough penetration at BR3-4 anyway.
Giving it HEAT shell and moving it up to BR4 really feels like a fair compromise.
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Yea let’s not do revisionism on the regular Sherman’s armour, it absolutely is subpar at BR4. BR4 is the land of vehicles like the Panther, Jumbo, and the IS-1. The exception to this is Japan but ngl their BR4 tanks seem kind of sad (apart from maybe the Chi-Ri II with its autoloaded main gun) but I’m not that familar with them so I could be wrong.
Anyways, BR4 armour or not if the 105mm Sherman is too strong at BR3 then it would make sense for it to go into BR4 regardless of if it would perform well there. It’s better for one vehicle to be rendered non-viable than it is for one vehicle to ruin an entire BR. Either that or nerf the vehicle.
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The latest update reduced it effectiveness by alot as its reload was changed from 3.3s to 4.5s. Still fast but no longer the beast it once was.
No, leave it where it is. Both the Germans and Japanese can blow it up with BR III planes easily.
If you are facing the M4A3 105mm, and it is spamming HE–it will take one good pilot on your team maybe 1 minute and 5 seconds to fly in and blow it up. Help by keeping the tank marked if you can’t deal with it from the ground, although a good pilot should know how to mark tanks from the air.
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Ofc you can kill any tank easily with a plane but it doesnt change the fact that the Sherman 105 has broken HE output
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