The m1 carbine can use 30 round magazines just like the m2 carbine, so I suggest:
•br3 m1 carbine with 30 round magazines, it would be the US equivalent of the vg1.
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it looks much longer than M1 seems to me
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I’m not sure if it’s a m1 carbine in the picture but the m1 carbine could definitely use 30 round magazines.
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Sounds cool. However, I think that all weapons firing the .30 carbine cartridge should have the damage of the 7.92 kurz. But even after such changes, the BR3 carbine with a 30 magazine will lose to the Volkssturmgewehr in all characteristics except damage.
In theory, yes.
The M2 conversion/update of the M1 Carbine also added a third magazine catch, to support the new larger 30-round magazine and secure reliable feeding from it. However, not having this catch didn’t make the magazine incompatible, and a 30 round magazine would still fit and lock into a regular M1, just not as securely as if it had been updated.
Of course, reliability is not a thing in this game, and so since it’s technicly possible it’s acceptable in the game.
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.30 Carbine is as far away from 8mm Kurz as 8mm Kurz is from 30-60, they definetly should handle differently.
Don’t think of US carbines as “intermediate” weapons, because they were never designed to fulfill that role, they’re essentially overgrown pistols meant to fulfil the role of (what we’d call today) a “PDW”, something way easier to carry than a rifle but way more combat effective than a M1911. People in the forums here have been complaining about how “weak” the weapons are because they expect them to be something that they’re not. Funnily enough, some people had the same idea in history (thinking the carbine could replace the Garand or the M14 in service, a daft idea looking back on it), and were equally dissapointed, history doesn’t repeat but it sure does rhyme.
The only “buff” US carbines need is to be able to give them to any class in the game, that’s it. They’re no longer weak if even tankers or guerrillas can whip them out. I mainly want this because I want to give my weapons to soldier types that historicly did use them, like vehicle drivers (APC drivers in the game), tankers and pilots, and because I want to use M2 Carbines on my Assaulters so I could use them over the Hyde. The VG 1-5 can already do exactly this, it’s about time the US got that function too.
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Thats more like an m2 carbine then m1 lol and the m1 i used untill i reached br5 it served me well i think so
If we follow the logic of the real world, then they should have different ballistic characteristics. I do not argue with this. However, the damage received by the NPC is an exclusively in-game value that has no relation to the logic of the real world. Therefore, I believe that .30 and 7.9 kurz should have the same damage.
The M1 carbine with 30 rounds mag and the Volkssturmgewehr will be the closest in terms of game application of weapons in the game. And I believe that they cannot have different damage. And the same weapon, with a magazine, the capacity of which is half as much, is quite worthy of BR2.
However, I would never trade the Garand for anything on BR3. Even if the carbine had a 30-round magazine and damage like the Sturmgewehr.
The game takes liberties with damage, but differences still clearly do exist.
.45 ACP are different from 9mm.
Japanese guns are usually weaker than their Allied counterparts.
Rifles are clearly more heavy hitting than assault rifles, and assault rifles are clearly more heavy hitting that pistols in turn.
What I’m stating is that .30 Carbine is right in the middle of .45 ACP and 8mm Kurz, with 8mm Kurz being right in the middle of .30 Carbine and 30-60. Carbine calibre weapons aren’t new to the world of firearms, and they definetly deserve to be their own category of weapons in the game, seperate from both pistols and intermediate rifles.
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IMHO, .30 compared to Kurz is absolute garbage and deserves to have its damage increased. And let it realize its “carbine-ness” through ballistic characteristics. Let it lose to Kurz in ballistic characteristics, but if they start changing it, then .30 carbine will stop being .30 carbine.
Sure, could also increase both guns ROF so it would be slightly more competent compared to SA rifles that are arguably the better choice at BR3.
Smaller caliber regardless not by much & alot less muzzle energy to start with.
Dunno about terminal ballistics, id assume neither is exactly the best you can get.
So in that sense, its not exactly wrong.
Far as I know both are 2hit/kill weapons so not exactly sure what this would accomplish.
However, damage to player is purely an in-game balance value that has very little to do with real-world logic.
Sure, example being BA vs LMG regardless same ammo.
Anyway, they somewhat seem to follow the logic of either caliber or muzzle energy which both are technically wrong regarding terminal ballistics but arent exactly that far from truth either.
Then why do the 12.7 mounted on vehicles and some 20mm shells have less damage than the BA rifle?
All this is one big pile of double standards and attempts to sit on two chairs.
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.30 carbine is not an intermediate cartridge and its more of an obese pistol cartridge (its comparable to .357 as far as i know)
If anyone is interested forgotten weapons recently made a video comparing the stg 44 and m2 carbine, in it they talk about the ammo so that might help settle any debate of power because Ian is a weapons expert:
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You know, getting hit by any calibre bullet from a handheld military firearm is going to ruin your day, and as such finicking with damage values is bordering on the pointless, no one after getting shot is going to say “ah, I see, the enemy is using 7.7 Arisaka”. I would actually not be inherently impartial if the devs came out tommorow and said “alright, we’re standardising weapon damage, all pistols are the same, all rifles are the same, etc”.
But, for as long as the game is going out of its way to seperate weapons based on ammunition used, then US carbines should not be equal to intermediate weapons.
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I’m pretty sure the M1 carbine bayonet lug was post-war
Edit: Nvm, it’s just very late war and few actually made it before the end of it
Enough with your “feels over reals”, both .30 carbine and its parent case .32WSL are classified as rifle cartridges, deal with it.