La-7 to BR 3

Compared directly to the P-51D-5, as well as the upcoming Soviet premium P-39Q-15, the La-7 would definitely be fine at BR 3. It has great maneuverability, but lacks in the total cannon ammunition and smaller bomb payload.

It’s also a reason to swap the new Bf 109 F-4/Trop’s bombs to the 250kg bomb everyone requested.

Should the La-7 move to BR 3?
  • Yes
  • Yes, with Climb Rate or Turn Speed nerfs
  • No
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Here’s also a direct comparison of Ki-100 and La-7 (both stock as well):

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Friendly reminder: it has almost the same stats as the bf-109 G-14.
Both should have been moved to BR4 long ago, but BR3 is pure insanity.

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Let’s walk through the argument together:

  • Comparing to the Bf 109 G-14 is useless, because it’s also under-powered and no one uses it.
  • BR 3 is “insanity” if you only look at it’s best stats. Yes, the La-7 would be very maneuverable for a BR 3 fighter, but it has low ammo capacity on it’s cannons, and only 2 100kg bombs. For contrast, the Soviet P-40E-1 a battle rating lower has the same bombs, PLUS an additional 250kg bomb below the main fuselage. Some people will still bring the P-40E-1 over the La-7 because of this.
  • The only Soviet fighter with bombs in the tech tree at BR 3 is the La-5FN, with 2 50kg bombs. This is not a good choice when compared to the Ki-100, or the American P-51D-5.
  • If we look at War Thunder ports, plus the fighters already in the Soviet tree, the La-7 is the only appropriate option for BR 3.

All in all, I believe we can strike a balance with the following 4 fighters that carry ordnance at BR 3: Soviet La-7, American P-51D-5, German Bf 109 F-4/Trop with 1 250kg bomb, and Ki-100. What’s great about these planes is they all have strengths and weaknesses compared to each other, but are equally valuable when looking at all variables. However, the Bf 109 F-4/Trop will never get the 250kg bomb before the Soviets are appeased with a BR 3 fighter that carries ordnance worth using.

Its a BR IV fighter like the Italian G.55 its a jack of all trades the La-7 normally is supposed to be on the same level like Ki-61-II Otsu Kai however G.55 and La-7 are far better they are the jack of all trades sadly dont have good bombs but for sure are BR IV aircrafts since they can do everything. They can roll ,they can dog fight they can even boom and zoom. So La-7 for sure is not a BR III plane specially for a heavy tank factions like USSR.


As you can see its even better then G.55 that I’m still conflicted is it BR III or BR IV but the La7 has everything without good bombs even the flaps are very resistant on the La 7. For sure La 7 is not BR V plane but its ok at BR IV.

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G.55 should also be BR 3.

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This is not realistic WT air, there is little downside to having small ammo capacity.
The whole argument is built around the La-7 having weak bombs which is somehow supposed to justify it being able to outclimb almost all aircraft, out turn most aircraft while still being among the fastest of BR3 fighters.

Suspended armament has became the biggest balance issue among aircraft, that much I will agree with, but thats an issue that should be fixed by new mechanics.

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Very bold assumption, bf109 f4 will not get 250kg even if su9 is lower to BR3. Balance has never worked in this way. Otherwise where is the German equivalent of svt38, tu2, universal carrier? Plus scotti is still handicapped by 15round.
La7 is just a bad fit for the job and pure air superiority fighter has little place in this game. The correct choice should be yak9b with its 4x100kg bombs.

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Yak 9B could definitely also get added, and then you have the option of 4 100kg bombs, or 2 100 kg bombs plus the extra maneuverability?

4x100kg every single day. The performance of yak9b is enough for BR3. Plus, I have yak9k as my first choice, so I can’t see myself using la5fn or la7.

Well depends La 7 and G.55 are better aircrafts then this 3:



As you can see if there is aircraft that needs to be BR III its the Ki-61 then the P-63A-10 and then G-6 then G-55 and only then La-7 however I can only for sure say that Ki-61 and P-63A-10 belong in BR III. G-6 also is Ok for BR III almost but still with G.55 are very on the border between BR IV and BR III and La-7 is really the best. So if there is aircrafts that the devs can move to BR III are Ki-61 and P-63A-10 the rest for now can stay in BR IV specially after the BR III BF received its bombs.

These are all aircraft that can be buffed or downtiered too. Because of how the forum works, you have to suggest downtiers for different items individually in separate posts.

Trying to shoehorn all of these changes into one post, or even worse, trying to argue that no planes should move because they all need buffs, is unproductive.


After this one gets its bombs all they need to do is give La-5FN bigger bombs

La-5FN Revolution fixing the miserable payload to 100 kg bombs :red_gift_envelope: - Suggestions / Vehicles - Enlisted — official forum

move Ki-61 and P-63A-10 to BR III and you will have very balanced build. G.55, G6 and La7 can all stay in BR IV for now since they are far better aircrafts. Ki-61 ,P-63A-10 , BF 109 F-4 and La-5FN are very close in performance. While La-7,G-6 and G.55 are better aircrafts specially the La-7.

Put a BR 4 option Aswell (replace the nerf option) and I think you will have all agreements (it should be lowered in BR). Just not on the where

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Easy. Downtier the I-185 (M-82).

If the developers insist on a BR 5 fighter also existing, port the I-185 (M-71) from War Thunder:

Well there is good candidates for a BR V fighters or BR IV:

Yak-9UT | War Thunder Wiki

ITP (M-1) | War Thunder Wiki

La-7B-20 | War Thunder Wiki

All this aircrafts are good. Yak-9UT with the 45 mm cannon can destroy even king tigers. ITP can carry 8 big rockets and has acceptable stats and La-7B-20 is just a beast. I-185 is also OK but for sure I would prefer the other 3 over the I-185 (M-71) that is not bad for boom and zooms and has good bombs but still the other 3 are also amazing planes that would love to see in USSR TT simply they have different strengths. ITP (M-1) with 8 × RBS-82 rockets will be probably the best option for BR V soviet aircraft since they have good bombs at BR V but miss rockets.

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La-7 could be on BR 3 but if i’m being honest, i’d prefer it on BR 4 instead.

That being said, i think both P-51 and Ki-100 should be moved up to BR 4 as well.
Because why the fighter airplanes with high speed/maneuverability, plus 2x 250kg/500 lbs bombs on BR 3? They will perform even better now thanks to the upcoming feature that allows one take less fuel for their airplanes.

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makes me happy to see some plane love (fuel, bombs on 109)…love some good plane discussion

my issue moving all the way to BR 3 is a few reasons

1: Ki-100 if we are being honest, it is as much a BR 3 fighter as the Mk IX spitfire is a BR 2 plane (as much fun as it is clubbing shit)…
2: Mustang is Borderline Not BR 3 either, but perhaps forgiven as its real strength is altitude fighting. In Enlisted its mainly used as a bomb barge)
3: Continuity… No need to cut the La-5s lunch, it’s already a very SOLID BR-3 fighter. La-7 is just more of the same but BETTER

Where possible I think there should be progression, where everything gets a chance (as much as possible) …it’s not needed at BR 3 cos the La-5 is already great…no need to make it redundant… and the Yak 9-k is there too (and that’s pretty stupid at BR 3…)

La-5 is a great fighter at BR 3

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La-7 has little trouble with BR 4-5 props

La-7 has little trouble with BR 4-5 props

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The problem with Mustang and Ki-100 is that if you move them there is not much in the Allies TT and Japanese TT they dont have good ground attackers at BR III like USSR and Germany:


This two aircrafts are on two different squads and you can rotate them while Japan and US really have no ground attackers on this scale and removing their fighters that perform the role of this ground attackers will absolutely destroy BR III specially for Japan where you don’t have amazing tanks also not only Ground attackers.

Still waiting for that to be fixed too