. . The Tatar Legions were auxiliary units of the Waffen-SS formed after the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941. It included: 1. * , comprising Crimean Tatars , Qarays, Nogais 2. * Volga Tatar Legion , .
This shield was issued in 1942 and worn by Volga Tartar volunteers. This arm shield shows a white crossed knife and arrow on a blue and green horizontal stripe background. The black border on top has the white inscription “IDEL-URAL.” The word “IDEL” in Tartar means Volga River.
The Volga-Tatar Legion (German: Wolgatatarische Legion) or Legion Idel-Ural (Janalif: Idel-Ural Legionь) was a volunteer Wehrmacht unit composed of Muslim Volga Tatars, but also included other Idel-Ural peoples such as Bashkirs, Chuvashes, Mari people, Udmurt people, Mordva.
In late 1942, the Nazis started forming what they called “national legions”. Among others, the Idel-Ural legion was formed in Jedlina, Poland, consisting of prisoners of war belonging to the nations of the Volga basin. Since the majority of the legion were Volga Tatars, the Germans usually called it the Volga-Tatar legion. The Nazis tried preparing the legionnaires for action against the Soviet Army in a chauvinistic and anti-Soviet fashion. Musa Cälil joined the Wehrmacht propaganda unit for the legion under the false name of Gumeroff. Cälil’s group set out to wreck the Nazi plans, to convince the men to use the weapons they would be supplied with against the Nazis themselves.
an experienced weapon for a squad of traitors, there is not a single advantage in this proposal, even the characteristics of the weapon are not described, and I’m not talking about why units based on collaborators are disgusting, especially if they are collaborators of the victorious countries
anyway, from the outside it looks like a topic with political overtones, because why are there only Soviet collaborators in the proposal? If you’re offering, then give me collaborators from each faction, piss them all off with one topic at once.
Chill, someone suggested a historically accurate group of collaborators in a game that already has such things, even having SS and NKVD units which did quite bad things, and history shouldn’t be censored because someone’s feelings might be hurt, so sure, have collaborators from all the nations. As for the gun, something else might be better, but the squad is fine.
WTF, man? An Axis squad with Soviet paper guns? Sorry, but this is a whole new level of bullshit. Maybe we should just remove the faction-specific weapon bindings? Or just abolish factions and arm our soldiers with whatever we want?
you dont have a leg to stand on
germany used captured weapons on mass
we have lend lease/capture weapons in game
Germany even captured factories and continued to produce enemy weapons
why only the soviets and why only as a German faction
because the soviet declared the tartar traitor on mass and exiled men women and children to Siberia
why only one group of collaborators because i often get zero response and did not feel like doing four times the work for almost no reaction
we have many words for betraying a group or nation treason among them but none for the betrayal of the members of a group never forget the many famines caused by the soviet union
Duuuuuuuude! That’s not what I’m talking about. Why the hell is Germany getting PAPER Soviet guns? The Soviets never had any. Where would the troops fighting for Germany get it from? You really want some easterners? Offer real Soviet guns or German guns.
Germany already has French, Polish, Belgian, Italian, Czech, Hungarian, Finnish weapons and Soviet trophies, but where did the Tatar collaborators (or the Wehrmacht in general) get the experimental Korovin carbine, which was tested in the 1920s and never even entered service with the Red Army?
The same place the German regular infantry got FG42, i just want original weapons not in the game sorry but i dont want the twelfth identical gun that requires a degree to tell apart from the other guns. if you have a better suggestion feel free.
The choice is simply enormous in the case of Germany (not Japan)! But for collaborators, the DP 27 machine gun chambered for the German Mauser cartridge is a good choice.
Gentlemen, allow me to interrupt your discussion. Yes i have a better suggestion. Give Korovin pistol-carbine for USSR and give German something German! For example, Mauser submachine gun, model 1933.
Dude, are you feeling alright? Do you have a headache? You’re writing on a forum about a computer game, do you understand that? What does history have to do with this? You’re on the wrong forum, don’t you think?
The 825th Battalion
Began to form in October-November 1942 in Yedlnya and numbered up to 900 men. On February 14, 1943, the battalion was ceremoniously sent to the front and arrived in Vitebsk on February 18. The bulk of the battalion was stationed in the village of Gralevo on the left bank of the Western Dvina.
As early as February 21, legionnaire representatives, acting on instructions from the legion’s underground organization, contacted the partisans and agreed on a general battalion uprising at 11:00 PM on February 22. Although the Germans learned of the legionnaires’ plans and carried out arrests an hour before the uprising, capturing the leaders of the uprising, under the leadership of Khusain Mukhamedov, approximately 500-600 legionnaires, armed and with considerable equipment, defected to the partisans. Only two battalion platoons (they weren’t notified in time) and the arrested legionnaires failed to escape. The remaining legionnaires were urgently escorted to the rear and assigned to other units.
new partisans for the USSR?
The 827th Battalion
Created on February 10, 1943, in Yedlino. Commander: Captain Pram. On June 22, 1943, it was stationed in Drohobych in western Ukraine to fight Ukrainian partisans. It is noted that the presence of legionnaires there only strengthened the partisans, who were joined en masse by the battalion’s soldiers. In July 1943, a mutiny was planned in the 827th Battalion, led by Senior Lieutenant Miftakhov. Two platoons of the headquarters guard defected to the partisans; Miftakhov was later captured by the Germans and executed.
However, legionnaires’ escapes continued, and the battalion was withdrawn from combat operations and transferred to France. There, too, it remained an extremely unreliable unit for the Germans: commanders and legionnaires often defected to local partisans. The battalion was not involved in combat; its last mention was on March 10, 1945.
or will it be partisans for the USA?
There are always problems with these collaborators.
The 831st Battalion
was formed in the fall of 1943 in Jedlino. It guarded the Idel-Ural Legion camp. It was transferred from the Wehrmacht to the Waffen-SS (German: Waffen-Gruppe d. SS “Idel-Ural”) in late 1943. It participated in counterpartisan operations in Belarus and Slovakia, as well as in the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising.
I haven’t heard of such a thing. And I don’t think the USSR was as bad as Germany in 1945. Even the Karelo-Finnish submachine gun, partially assembled from parts of the Suomi M31 submachine gun, as far as I know, is chambered for the standard Soviet 7.62mm caliber.
If we’re handing out prototypes, that never even got close to combat testing, from one faction to another, then why not give Scotti rifles 25 to Greek partisans fighting for the Allies ? Or North Korean troops MP 43 bought by Japan from Germany? Same level of absurdity, right?
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. The Tatar Legions were auxiliary units of the Waffen-SS formed after the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941. It included: 1. * , comprising Crimean Tatars , Qarays, Nogais 2. * Volga Tatar Legion , 
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