This issue has been left/ignored for a long time for something to be done about Body Armor. I propose a few ideas on how to deal with Body Armor (BA).
What is the current issue with body armor?
- It has a flat 10% damage reduction to all weapons.
How does this affect you?
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A significant amount of people now, even more will use it as the appearance tab now shows a shield icon to indicate that it reduces dmg, no longer do you need to have “external” knowledge about the dmg reduction
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The user can tank 1 extra intermediate cartridge round (ARs, MGs, Semis, and SFs (not including Type Hei Automatic, that already automatically requires 1 extra round to kill BA user basically no matter the distance)) beyond 10m without dying.
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The user can tank 2 extra pistol-caliber (Pistols and SMGs) rounds without dying.
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Why does this matter? Putting one extra round in each person in a squad adds up. By people having Body Armor, guns of the faction that have to face Soviets, the Magazine size is essentially halved.
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You lose those important gun fights that stop you from losing key positions or losing your whole squad. (Just imagine you’re just outside the room with your bots parked inside. Some guy with BA immediately engages you and you die because even though you shot him first, he gets to tank 1 extra round and survives, kills you, and the kill you again in the room because you are switiching, and then kills all your bots. This is the biggest reason why BA is OVERPOWERED LITERALLY)
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Being able to tank an extra round emplifies how much more important other stats are on guns facing against it. Stats like Mag Size, Bullet Velocity, and Dispersion can make or break the guns facing the BA users.
Bullet Velocity - The time it takes for the second round to hit the BA user vs him needing to only hit once.
Mag Size - Again, needing to put an extra bullet to kill a person inside a squad makes you basically half your magazine size.
Dispersion - You can literally just straight up miss the second shot (dispersion shouldn’t exist in this game imo, only higher vertical recoil, like who doesn’t want to hit where they are aiming).
Below are the proposals that I have to handle the situation of Body Armor:
Remove Body Armour’s Ability to reduce damage and keep that feature to the event squad only.
- Yes
- No (Give an explaination on your view)
The Historically Accurate Way Body Armor Should Be
Body Armor only reduces damage against Pistol Caliber Weapons (No more dmg reduction against intermediary cartridge rounds)
- Yes
- No (Give an explanation on your view)
A proposal so that BA will not affect gunplay and gunplay weapon balancing (ty to @Slakrrrrrr for idea)
Body Armor only reduces damage incoming from shrapnel (bombs, tank shells, arty, HE etc)
- Yes
- No (Give an explanation on your view)
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This is what the devs said 3 months ago before Manchuria was launched to an overwhelmingly positive feedback regarding body armor damage reduction removal
Since then I’ve made another post discussing it - again to a positive response. Nothing got addressed
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dissagree with this
we both alredy know how buggy this game is and im pretty sure developers are gonna manage to even screw this like if it wasnt enough seeing a KT H survive a 1000lbs that landed just a few centimeters away now imagine the same but with a soldier…
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At this point, BA suggestions should be closed immediately as a rage/comment bait, and because it always ends up in a long argument where both sides stick to their opinion anyway lol.
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The only rage bait comment I see is yours.
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The other side literally has no arguments.
I understand when people claim its sad if soviet armor would simply get removed - because its a historical fact that it got used by the soviets with some limited effect. But the way how it works right now… it messes with game balance and is as such inexcusable - which is why I hope people keep bringing it up until it finally gets nerfed.
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It’s LONG PAST time the Dev’s did something about the body armor issue.
It’s very obvious they don’t want to do anything about it, and just as obvious
that the players opinions mean very little to them. If our opinions mattered,
this would have been settled a couple years ago.
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I hope they at more body armor to other factions.
Because I’m tired and want to bitch and complain about
something else like - not having global chat or an actual ingame mode selector.
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I think everyone is tired of complaining about it. My choice would be to just get rid of it entirely so no faction has it. Adding it for one faction and one only was not an overly intelligent idea on the Dev’s side.
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It’s not something that bothers me. I don’t see it enough in matches to think it’s “an unbeatable advantage” and see clones with the same armor. If random players don’t care, imagine how relevant it is to the devs.
The best option is how to solve the cuirass problem:
- Cuirasses that are customized should not reduce damage, as customization should not affect gameplay and balance.
- Add cuirasses to the “pouches” slot, which will provide a balanced solution to this problem. You have better protection but fewer bullets - you’re wearing a cuirass. You have less protection, but more ammo - put on Pouches with Cartridges/ grenades.
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Overall, yes - nerfing cosmetics that give gameplay advantages is necessary.
But to make it acceptable for everyone, here’s what I would do:
All cuirasses purchased with orders should be completely removed from soldiers and inventory, and the orders spent on them should be refunded. Then the protection bonus gets removed, and if you still want them purely for aesthetics, you can buy them again — while I’d rather spend a couple thousand orders on something else. I’ve spent over 3,000 on vests across each campaign, and only under those conditions would I be satisfied.
If you just remove the bonus and no compensation - then I’d say no.
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Will I get my gold back for the premium squad with AC44?
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trying forum spam tactic again. wish you luck
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I was wondering when the next post would come up complaining about this. Seems like there’s way too many suggestions up about this. Don’t know why mods don’t ever close them.
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seemed to be someone so apt to call out duplicate posts… no surprise they don’t when it goes with their agenda… lol.
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Duplicate posts about body armor are specially justified as the official reason it’s not nerfed is due to “knee jerk reactions”, meaning follow-up posts do bring a valuable change to the topic by being further down the line, which was the only issue devs claimed to have with the suggestion.
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So what you’re saying is the only reason they haven’t changed it is because people keep complaining about it?
I’ll never understand the devs.
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shame we have not get Decard here to redparrot this post down lol
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