Important changes in Stalingrad

[L4Dtrooper]

My Alies Tunis setup is a Sterling SMG & pump shotgun combo! YHaaaoo.

[CaptainSebekel]

@L4Dtrooper

But that will undermine the idea of difers use of weapons,

Well… makea shotgun mainer then with a backpack or sth. like this?

@L4Dtrooper

and in my opinion its a limitation for the use of a situational weapon.

Like Df is forcing you to not pick a shotgun…

@L4Dtrooper

But if they going to do it the way as it seems to be going, than no problem for me i stick with my setup which i will deem to consider more efficient en beneficial for my load out’s.

Then why complaining in first place?
Seems… unlogical.

[Conscript_Joe]

Try the lanchester if you also use shotgun: Lanchester is more precise and easier to control which is what you need if the shotgun already fills the cqc role. Lanchester is a lazer.

[Winter_Storm]

Screw that, one of my guys is only carrying a trench gun and quite possibly a revolver

[L4Dtrooper]

@CaptainSebekel

@L4Dtrooper

But if they going to do it the way as it seems to be going, than no problem for me i stick with my setup which i will deem to consider more efficient en beneficial for my load out’s.

Then why complaining in first place?
Seems… unlogical.

No it is logical to me, since i will never use the FG24 in campaign with shotguns (with exemption of Normandy) its more i point out the limitations it will bring to a now diverse option of squad setups.

[CaptainSebekel]

Then… write like one sentence…

@L4Dtrooper

NO i hope they not do that!

But if they gonna do that than this has to be taken into account!

If they are limiting use of the FG42 to engi and the switch to assault on all campaigns,
Than also make the exception for AT squads, since you can have only 2 (if chosen in the level tree) and 4 with the main AT gunner squad, i have a assault squad setup with 2 AT gunners and since i did assemble it with the idea of assaulting i like them to have the full auto option rifle.

That aside, if they put the FG24 with the assault class than a ammo pool increasing is a must 20/20 is underwhelming especially for engi since they dond have the option for a secondary, if you wand to use the gun it only weakens you in terms of survival.

Forcing to use the large ammo pack is not a fare solution (in my opinion its another Nerf limiting you choices) most 6 squad engi use the large grande pack to counter tanks (alternative replacement for AT gunners) and blow up enemy fortifications.

As for the assault class in the campaigns where shotguns are present most make the secondary weapon upgrade choice in the leveling tree, (like i have my setup) denying the option for a large backpack slot, the reason why this is a limitation is that its NOT practical to use a double barrel shotgun as a main, due to the use limitations for close and tight spaces as intended.

If they not increase the ammo pool than its handicapping yourself even as the FG24 is superior to all the other SMG and engi rifle’s with a 20/20 ammo limit its a no go for me i stick with my max level MP40/ Beretta 1916 and gewehr 41.

… not a wall.

[L4Dtrooper]

@Conscript_Joe
There is a misunderstanding, we both mean the same Ahaha,
I did call the Lancheste the Sterling but the Lanchester is a submachine gun (SMG ) manufactured by the Sterling Armaments

And yes Lanchester is a lazer and the pump shotgun a meat grinder! perfect combo.

[Conscript_Joe]

Ah I thought you meant the sten gun. That shower pipe is just a spray, which the shotgun can replace easily. Lanchester however… that smg is seriously overlooked and underestimated.

[Wiglarf]

Keofox please consider changing the PPSH into a MP41(r) or MP717(r) and then Stalingrad will look much better and fun with different spciy unlocks for each side.

[StarvationSRB]

this is just a test if this goes every new campain will be this way.

[olek_z17]

Because it wasn’t made for them. And what we have in Enlisted as a sniper class is more of an infantry sharpshooter, so it checks out for me:)

[CaptainSebekel]

You didnt read my post, dude. They wanted to introduce DLCs from the beginning. The four free campaigns wont be touched. They are part of their monetarization-strategy.

[L4Dtrooper]

@CaptainSebekel
Yhea the part of me asking/suggesting to include AT gunners to keep using the FG24, on reflection this could have been asked separately to keep the message more compact.

But I don’t think there’s any reason to react so horribly and to keep disrespecting over it!

[gastanofrizzi]

it seems to me that they have surrendered against the fearsome keyboard lions if they apologized for putting the ppsh41 behind the access
Germans with ppsh41 (urgh) i go to have a bad dream…

[CaptainSebekel]

Never liked reddit aside the TNO memes anyway…

[gastanofrizzi]

Tno meme are good indeed

[olek_z17]

I have a question for you, @1942786. Since you (devs) have showed us that you can listen (which we’re really grateful for), would you like to look at this and give me some feedback?

[L4Dtrooper]

@CaptainSebekel

@L4Dtrooper

But that will undermine the idea of difers use of weapons,

Well… makea shotgun mainer then with a backpack or sth. like this?

Do you have a suggestion?
To make the double barrel shotguns more main use friendly.
Since i consider the use now more as a side arm support for close quarters.

Mabey they can add the option to shoot the iconic drilling hunting rifle bullet, so you can shoot mid to far range off-course without turning it into snipers that is.

[L4Dtrooper]

@Rickyd123

Screw that, one of my guys is only carrying a trench gun and quite possibly a revolver

As it is now you can have a SMG + trench gun and have your revolver!
with is in my opinion is better than having a single FG24 with ammo pack.

[FunPolice7]

Overall good to see these changes.
Limiting the MKB/AVT to fewer classes I think is good because otherwise it devolves into spam fest with 9 man assault sqauds
The PPSH and assault III going free is gonna help F2P a lot and I think was a good move so new players have some better power and reason to get late into the campaign.
Finally the changed level progression is probably the best change overall imo. It addresses a big issue I saw previously whee people would grind levels and only get 1 new thing. This change should help progression feel much more smooth.

I think this makes Stalingrad much more friendly to new players. I still have some personal gripes like no T34 without the pass and a decent amount of weapons essentially being recycled from other campaigns (The Breda as a Soviet LMG is so strange imo). I do think there could be more changes to make Stalingrad maybe standout a bit more from other campaigns but this is no doubt a series of good changes.