Aircraft are definitely broken, tho i dont think they are broken as people say they are, bomb damage should not be nerfed, instead my proposal is to have it so that non engineer squad engineers should be able to build single 20mm AA guns and engineer squad engineers should still have the quad 20mms, they should also do more damage.
Another thing they could do is any of the background AA fire could focus on aircraft, not hit or damage them, just shoot around them so they are easier to spot.
On invasion maps they could have a couple around the map, and they can be used by either side, but it would benefit the defending side to use them, and when a place is taken over, they can be destroyed so the offensive team cant use them, just how germany did things, if they dont then the attacking team will benifit.
these are just ideas that popped in my mind, im a heavy air user and it can easily decide a battle. Let me know if you have any ideas that dont involve nerfing the bombs themselfs
been saying aircraft are broken since CBT but people want their XP printing machine.
i never really played air in the CBT or CAT, i only really started during the berlin CBT, and yeah they are good
C’mon jack, aircraft are the only reason i hop onto Normandy.
yasss slay qwueeeen, ruin the game epic style!
Get 150 kills with zero effort!
(tarkov is wiping soon and there’s plenty of other games I can play so I really don’t care either way.)
In all seriousness though, there were some stealth changes recently that made emplaced weapons traverse faster and aircraft less durable (or some autocannons stronger), so I would rather darkflow take a wait-and-see approach for now.
hopefully they will enable a command to have AI station on the flak gun.
There’s ways to balance things without making aircraft feel meaningless.
I mean, we still need AA guns to be put on maps in defensive positions so players actually make use of AA guns. As is, we have a critically low number of players who use engineers… at all. Maybe one in ten games I’m in I see another person maining Engineer and building anything at all.
We also probably need an Engineer tutorial that talks about people getting extra points for people using engineer objects and the like so people are more likely to make use of them and all.
I main engineers lmao. Still get top 3 almost every game.
Same, I know how it is. It’s just frustrating being on the defense in invasion and no one but me bothers to build spawn points, or sand bags, or block off access from enemy tanks, or puts down AA to deal with planes / people going through a chokepoint, etc.
Edit, my record from my first week in the Berlin CBT as a point (specifically my games in the Berlin campaign):
As an Infantry focused player, those aircrafts are pain in the ass. No matter what you did, even when you have good cover, those bombs always manage to kill you. The 500KG one even so insane that it can kill player within radius 1/3 of the accessed map at the moment. And, there is no effective way to kill it from the ground. AA gun is a joke - slow rotation, low rate of fire, and so bulky. It is so much better using MG34, when they are nose diving, damaging a couple of those, killed one or two. I thought 2nd tier engineer would have good AA gun, but apparently it is not. I think you should just reduce the damage and its area of effective, and make the Ammo spawn nearer.
There’s no consequence to spamming them endlessly, kamikaze, the weapons are uber powerful, it’s just dumb. Already hard enough to carry teams made of literal drooling retards.
Just deserted a game because some dude was suiciding his squads in order to get back into his plane and just spawn bombing constantly.
Honestly there should be a hardcap on all vehicles per team. Anything that isn’t native to an infantry unitl.
nice data bru. Spreadsheets and data over time always interest me.
To be fair, I did it for the “germany suffers” meme going on for Berlin, given it’s the CBT and I didn’t really see evidence of it in any other campaign.
I kinda have to say on Berlin, unlike the other campaigns, Germany does seem suffer, in my observations, lol. (German overall win ratio of 37.5%, vs my personal overall win ratio of 62%, and not losing a single game I played as Soviets.)
I just won 5 games in a row as soviets. absolute steam rolls too.
Darkflow really needs to work on the map design. Also maybe give the Germans something better than the Panzer IVJ as a starter tank.
But really, the worst part is that usually by the time I spawn in on the German side, often the soviets are already on the first objective and/or capturing it. Sometimes the first objective has been completely captured before my team has even half spawned in.
A lot of the invasion maps have 1-2 actually defensible capture points, and the rest get rolled over, which doesn’t help things either.
I would agree. As I posted in another thread, the only real counter to aircraft currently, are more aircraft. The AA guns are too slow to turn (essentially impossible to hit high tier planes at speed, at least in Moscow), and the need for an engineer squad plus a human gunner makes them a huge investment.
I think an easy fix would be the ability to order single troopers to command an AA gun, while taking the rest with you - Provided they start actually shooting. I can get my guy to sit in there, he spins around for a bit before getting bombed, but I’ve never seen the dude aim or fire at anything. But even if he had built in AI aimbot, i doubt he would be able to track those planes across the sky.
If this was fixed, it would allow an engineer squad to provide AA capabilities, without the drawback of a whole squad sitting behind the frontline, hoping for a chance to shoot a plane. I think that would be cool.
I pretty much exclusively play Berlin now due to the fact that both Normandy and Moscow are decided by who has the more persistent bombers (planes). At least in Berlin planes are limited in their efficacy.
Berlin is not ready for full release. full stop. It will be released regardless though.
Make that six games in a row won, less than ten minutes per match.
Currently, spending half the match clearing the skies on an AA gun provide dog shit rewards so there’s no reason to do it.
I think the Aircraft bombs are definitely need to be Nerfed. Ju-188 with 6x, A-20 with 4x Bomb is a massive destruction on the field if you drop the to proper place.
The Blast radius and damage of bombs are really high imo. We can wipe multiple squad and 1-2 tank with bombers…Insane and frustrating sometimes
We can feel their power specially in Invasion. Le Bre is a meatgrinder for me when Allies attack and I bomb them to hell with Ju-188. 20 kill per turn at least…
AA: Those AA guns sometimes are hard to use a bit. Their ammo and effectiveness are not perfect. If someone want to support their army by parry plane attack with AA, he better be a marksman to damage the aircraft enough to take down…
yeah LeBre invasion is a farming festival for us JU-188 users, especially if enemies don’t really care to fly and take you down