Hypothetical British (commonwealth) Seperate Tech tree

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had too much spare time on my hands today, and felt like making a hypothetical British Tech tree in enlisted, Critique it to your hearts content and be intrested to hear the communities thoughts on it. appologies in advance for formatting and lack of photos, Im also not sure if this is the right part of the forum to put it in, apologies in advance if its not.

BR 1.0:

Rifles + Sub Sniper category:

Ross Rifle MK. 3 > Enfield P14 > SMLE MKIII
>P14 Sniper variant (BR1)

Submachine guns:

Sten Mk.III > Sten Mk. II

Light machine guns (none at BR1):

Support weapons:

Boys Anti Tank Rifle > 2 Inch mortar

Tanks:

AEC MK II. AA varient > AEC MK. 1 (40mm) > A13 Cruiser tank > Crusader Mk. II > Stuart MK. V

BR 2.0:

Rifles + Sniper Category:

Lee Enfield no. 4 jungle carbine > Lee Enfield No. 4 Rifle > Vickers Pederson Rifle Trials varient

Submachine guns:

Owen Mk.1 > Lanchester SMG > Patchet SMG

Light Machine Guns:

Vickers Bertheir > Bren MK.1 > Bren MK.2 > Lewis Gun Mk.1 (47 round drum)

Support weapons:

Truck (Mobile Spawn) CWT 30 > PIAT AT Launcher

Tanks:

Matilda II > Crusader MK. III > M3 Grant > AEC MK. III (75mm gun) > Cromwell MK. 1
BR 3.0:

Rifles + Sniper Category:

M1 Garand (Lend Lease) > Turner SMLE rifle
> (Sniper Lee Enfield no.4 rifle T)

Submachine guns:

Thomson M1928 lend lease (30 round magazine) > Sten MK. 1

Light Machine Guns:

M1918 BAR (Lend Lease) > M1919 Trials Colt BAR in 303. > Lewis Gun MK. II (without barrel jacket)

Support weapons:

M1 Bazooka > 80mm Mortar variant ML 3 inch > M8 Bazooka (Lend Lease) > Flame thrower

Tanks:

Sherman II (Lend Lease) > Cromwell MK. V > Cromwell MK VI (95mm) > Churchill III (57mm gun) > Archer 17 Pndr Gun Carriage

BR 4.0:

Rifles + Sniper Category:

Electrolux Charlton Rifle > Farquhar Hill Rifle (19 round magazine)

Submachine guns:

Lanchester w/ 50 round magazine > Sten Mk. 1 w/ Lanchester 50 round magazine

Light Machine Guns:

Bren MK. II w/ 100 round drum magazine > Lewis Gun MK 1 W/ (97 round drum magazine

Support weapons:

Captured Panzerchrek > ML 4.2 Inch mortar

Tanks:

Sherman Firefly > Churchill VI > Churchill V (CS) > Comet I

BR 5.0:

Rifles + Sniper Category:

Charlton Rifle (30 round experimental magazine) > Huot Rifle (30 round experimental magazine)

Submachine guns:

M1928 Lend lease Thompson w/ 50 round drum magazine

Light Machine Guns:

Lewis Gun MK. II w/ 97 round drum magazine > Vickers K Machine gun

Support weapons:

No more to unlock

Tanks:

Challenger A30 VIII > Churchill “Black Prince” > Centurion MK. 1 w/ 17 pndr

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i know everyone wants a italian tt + UK tt but i feel like this would make the playerbase too fractured

i prefer it as it is tbh

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I do understand it to an extent i suppose, im not sure what the numbers are for the game, but in one manner ive alwas felt theres a way they could do it, like how you can have multiple factions conjoined for different fronts, but tech tree actually seperate, like Commonwealth would always be paired with americans and the same for germans and italians. im probably dreaming, hopefully sometime in the future we will have a huge player surge that will justify the seperation.

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It doesn’t have to split the player base at all - you choose Western allies as the side in a fight, then American or British Commonwealth as the actual tech tree you use in that fight.

so US and BC “tech trees” can fight alongside each other in battles.

Can do the same with Germans and Italians - albeit Italians fighting in 1945 Berlin is a bit anachronistic they can do that now anyway, so no real difference.

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You’re not the only one

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That beats the whole point of seperating the tech tree.
Only benefit we could ever see from seperate tech trees are British vs Italian only, Chinese vs Japanese only battles and the likes.
If the queue stays the same than no one wins anything at all.

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I would love for Britain and Italy to be their own independent factions, but if thats not possible for the foreseeale future then the next best thing would be a separate tree within the Allies and Axis RT

Britain especially has sooooooo much content that its ridiculous theyre constantly spit on

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In what way?
The main problem with the combined allied tech tree is BC and US units using each other’s equipment willy-nilly, and being mixed up in a single lineup.

This would solve those problems.

I don’t see anyone complaining about players using the 2 different nationalities fighting alongside each other.

Which makes no sense

well you aren’t going to get shorter queues from any split, so staying the same is actually the best that can be expected!

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A great video on this!

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Not an issue, has been like that long before merge.
Even in Normandy campaign, which was “US only”, American soldiers had British AT weapons, rifles, submachine guns, machine guns, pistols, tanks.
The game was balanced this way since day one and most of the playerbase likes mixing British-US line ups.

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by separate tech tree do you just mean uk tech tree us tech tree
or do you mean uk gets uk gear and us gear and us gets bent over the kitchen table
im fine with 2 separate but connected tech table
i am not fine with the uk taking their stuff and their partners like a bad divorce settlement
example only the home guard used the garand and no large scale use of the bar
yeah the uk bought a lot of thompsons
the us looses large amounts of unique gear and the uk, the uk gets the sc*** the us
but the uk needs the bar and garand well the us needs the bren and smle at br2 removing gear from one tech tree while keeping it in another is an instant no go, also needs a pole

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I mean the tech tree presented is hypothetical and obviously if it was to seperate, it would mean revision of the american tech tree, which i think would make the tech tree above make sense, it wouldnt inherrently detract from the US tech tree, the US has absolutely tons of alternatives or can even keep many elements they alrrady have. The Allie as a whole need a lot of gaps filled, as even though with good strategy they can push through they simply have poor balancing compared to germany. Germany have better everything other than rifles, we just have one good plane and an okay couple of tanks. Everyone has a Bar equivalent now thats usually better as well, this needs to change fundamentally. Im suprised they didnt do it on the last major update. Either way i know it would annoy some people but i think it would be a welcome change to some, even if its not implemented as a full blow tech tree, just two internal allied tech trees that give you distinct versions of squads, the game takes a lot of liberties as it is already but some are just dumb.

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No I’d love a separate uk tech tree, that is a uk tech tree not a uk slash us tech tree as in no garand no BAR in it, sorry but the uk also has alternatives. It does not get to gouge it’s gear from the shared tech tree and keep the choice cuts. I was a bit crude, there are us weapons s the uk was given and bought from the us it used in numbers. The Thompson is an example of that but to let the uk take almost every iconic WW2 American weapon is greed
M1 carbine
M1 rifle
1911
Thompson smg
BAR
Sherman
P51
Browning 5 auto
1903 Springfield
Bazooka
The top of the list and you’re already digging deep into it

I get the argument, but the us didn’t use weapons like the bren or boys or sten or puat. And the uk did t really use the bar, or garand outside of the home guard yet there in the list. I’m sorry but allowing the uke to have a functioning tech tree by stealing from the us is a no. Especially while. There is would be left maimed. There are example grant and the firefly that qualify as more British the American. But it’s unfair as there is nothing really British that ended up in American hands. A uk tech tree must be driven by facts not feeling or need when it comes to what us gear it gets

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I see your point and genuinely dont disagree for the most part, Like i say the frustration comes mostly from just not having consistent access to British squads so you can have a complete line up, im sure for the americans its just as frustrating. maybe a tree where both are in the same tab, meaning the British and american Squads can still purchase the same weapons, but can have their own squads, or when you unlock a new “squad” with a weapon, it gives you both a British and then an American Version, obviously for vehicles its less of a concern. but maybe that would be a better solution? man maybe all of this is just a cope for me not being able to play a full rifleman Squad as a BritBong on this game XD another issue ive always felt is that now theyve ccommited to the tech tree system as it was from before the ability to ever do it the extent listed above, is limited and theyve soft of soft locked themselves from adding many of these weapons as some of them exist as premium squads which people have paid for already and trying to explain that one away would be difficult i imagine.

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Then I have no issue play as a us squad with full axis to all allied weapons or uk/commonwealth full arsenal. Or even a mixed set up I say within reason choice is king allowing you to play you’re way. Clarity would help that you are not removing uk weapons from a shared pool but making an interface that is easier to play you’re way. That be cool but instead of a separate tech tree why not a button all br3 uk/cw weapons and or squads. That way you can just make a full load out I think we would need a few more UK cw squads and weapons but it be nice for more variety like when they added ussr vs japan.

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Yes but that was when there were identifable campaigns and units specifically for them - although tere was still some grumbling about it then.

Not the point - the issue isn’t balance and never has been for me - it is immersion.

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sounds like you also want a historically accurate game mode. Welcome to the club.

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Sounds like you are having comprehension difficulties - what I suggested was nothing more than the ability to limit weapons to the nations that used them, and identification of squads by nationality better so you can easily have a lineup of a single nation if you so choose.

This doesn’t alter anything at all about the rest of the way the game works.