I think it’s most noticeable with the Chi-Ha Short Gun, but still it’s kinda crazy how pinpoint you have to be compared to what you need to do with a simple explosive pack.
I think that the overpressure radius of the larger HE shells could be slightly increased, it wouldn’t be gamebreaking it would just help with consistency.
Overpressure doesn’t seem to work fully with tank he shells. I remember one time hitting a sturmpanzer with 6 t28 e he shells and it not dying.
Well, the EP has a penetration value of 35 mm, while the HE of the Chi Ha’s short gun is slightly lower at 31 mm.
Idk if the difference is much significant to make this big difference.
Maybe it’s not even about radius at all, lol.
Since it already has significantly bigger radius than EP anyway btw.
The thing is that the 105 Sherman, which has less pen and less HE filler, seems like it has a more forgiving overpressure radius than the Short Gun. The amount of times a turret ring or a cupola just eats a shot is kinda ridiculous. And there’s no doubt that explosive packs have a much larger effective radius since you can throw them at the base of a tank’s tracks and they’ll still work, meanwhile you can hit right between a T-34’s hull and track and it’ll do nothing.
The pen of tank HE is somewhat directional unlike the EP which means it is almost impossible to take advantage of thin roof armor (exept for 150mm HE but I am not sure if they play by the same rules as smaller HE aswell). So even if you hit an M3 Lee at the turret just a few mm over the 12.7mm roof the 31mm pen wont do anything because reasons… or that would make the 120mm gun actually usefull against tanks.
The EP on the otherhand do can airburst tanks which does indicate that it uses a diffrent kind of explosion calculation as tank HE.
EDIT: I was incorrect to say that it is inpossible to take advantage to take advantage of thin roof as on some tanks that is very much possible. It just appears that some tanksare just more ressistant to tank HE than otheres in my testing.
Except that’s not true, you can OP through roofs with tank HE quite consistently. The problem is that it isn’t consistent across tanks, and on top of that it’s incredibly unforgiving. There’s bits on the roofs that you can hit that are further away from the thin plate you’re over pressuring than the turret ring or cupola but for some reason still overpressure.
Also I get that there’s a bit of directional influence on the HE, my problem is that it’s not consistent.
That entire system is like so wierd and nonesencincal to me.
I know that the IS 2 HE can pen the panther roof (even 17mm not just 12.7mm) by hiting the front of the turret and in testing the 120mm short gun was also able to kill a panther with the same shoot.
So by directly hitting next to a thinner armored roof the HE will not pen but when you hit a tank with even MORE roof armor and half a meter above the roof it does pen it.
Nothing about this system makes sense.
Even if you hit the very sloped 19mm armorplate that is part of the front armor of a M4A1 sherman the 31mm pen by the 120mm HE wont pen for some reason even if direct HE should not care for the added thickness due to sloped armor.
Same shoot at the 19 mm plate in WT is a pen but since enlisted is stuck with an older outdated damage model the HE wont do anything ( unless you hit some very special pixelsnipes of the top vision ports thingies).
Honestly I’m just glad someone else recognizes it. I’m not sure how much work it would be for the dev team to fix something like this though.
The only tank that this has really affected has been the Chi-Ha Short Gun, since for some reason German and Japanese tanks are much more forgiving when it comes to being overpressured.
I’d say it’s to do with armor or shape, but you can overpressure a Panther G with the 105 by slapping it on its turret chin so I don’t entirely know.
Even the IS 2 HE could not kill the M3 when hitting the turret ring so it is not a problem of the short gun HE beeing bugged as even the IS 2 could not do it.
At that point it has to be something to do with the tank models. Certain spots like the little gap between the hull and the tracks should be weakspots for most if not all tanks, or the roof by hitting the cupola, or the roof of the hull by hitting the turret ring should all be consistent spots between tanks.
I’m assuming that the tank HE is generally consistent, albeit weak when it comes to overpressuring. So then that would just leave the models of the tanks themselves as the culprit.
The problem could definitely be solved by a buff to the overpressure radius of HE, but that would only be a temporary fix if the tank models are the problem.
I get over pressure playin how many xplosion pax will it take to do that tankie xxx