One so no he no proximity kills on infantry just hard direct hit kill?
How big is the magazine and what’s the reload like, and rof and overheat.
Because you right if it can’t soft kill infantry does not have like a 100 round mag per gun or reload in like 5 seconds yeah it won’t be sweeping infantry squad
You don’t even read. Nor did I ask how you reacted to my Panzerfaust 150 post, which you also probably haven’t read.
Both weapons were used. But since you don’t benefit, the numbers want these Axis weapons eliminated/limited.
It’s curious that you say that when you’re against the Germans getting Allied CAS counterparts And they only have to be worse to be "AUTHENTIC"But since this doesn’t benefit you in terms of tanks, you just complain. And you start asking for fantasy weaponry to shorten an armament barrier that is superior to that of your Faction You only seek authenticity when there are only benefits for allies And you like to talk about numbers and whether the weapon was used, but when that’s not the case, you seek to eliminate the REAL weaponry. From your enemy
7k-9k from FG42 is not the same as 0 T20, one saw combat and caused enemy deaths, the other did not.Even if the weapon were limited to Fallschirmjäger squadrons only You would still see them because there are several divisions and squadrons where you would look, this weapon in large quantities
Nobody in the Axis uses that weapon, having the Gewehr 43 and the FG42.
I’m sorry, but the Ferdinand/Elephant has earned its place, having seen combat where its debut was in the biggest tank battle in history: the Battle of Kursk. It also caused enormous casualties to its enemies, having a good (K/D) of 15 to 1 unlike the Pershing which barely saw combat in '45 with miserable losses
The Allies lost more things than Germany with just the FG42, even though it saw more combat than many of the things the Allies would lose.
Both weapons wouldn’t be a problem, but they saw combat unlike your prototypes.
You see the numbers aren’t in your favor, and you want to drag iconic German weaponry into Rarities that aren’t like your Prototypes. Those German weapons saw combat in great numbers and caused a great deal of damage They were low and gained a feared reputation, unlike your allied Prototypes. For you, the German numbers are low, but for the Germans they are “high.” However, it’s a reasonable amount for prolonged use in battles. It’s simply like the designation of the Panther that the Allies And Soviets who categorize it as heavy when only the Germans’ air force matters and it’s medium-sized, and the same goes for the numbers that aren’t in your favor to achieve your TOTAL air supremacy that never existed.
I’m sorry, but those low-numbered weapons saw combat unlike your prototypes, and they’re not the same.You talk about authenticity, then accept reality: your weapons are invalid, unlike the German ones.
They had already spoken about the numbers and the use of these weapons if you keep insisting. But for the Hungarians and Italians, they were large quantities.
You already know what those allied weapons are.
Whirlwind 4 guns with 20 rounds each. 4 second reload. 480 rpm
Kugelblitz: 2 guns 100 rounds each 450 rpm 10 second reload.
Understand me clearly
I am saying just because they were used does not make them worth of the tech tree
If 10s of thousands
Hundreds of thousands
Or a few million soldiers served
Weapons with a few hundred or thousand would be worthy of the tech tree
Sorry but Italy having a shit arsenal does not lower the bar to the floor
Tens of millions of soldiers served a gun with a thousand built not used built insults those that fought
Let’s pretend it does you get to raise the bar just low enough for Germany to clear it
So what Germany gets the fg42 and the us gets what the m1 garand
Germany gets the stg44 and other assault rifles and the us gets a 30 round thompson
No that was not ww2 mist Germans had a mp something smg a kar 98 or a mg used as a stationary gun
Do you have an actual reason or?
Reason for what?
The stats
Asking because if they can’t just mag dump to rain bullets there not infantry sweepers
Given the low armor and no he you would have to
A hit a vital area fuel or ammo to kill a tank
Or b hit infantry directly making it just but mgs
On a tank unlike a plane it have to expose itself to tanks and infantry meaning not that op
So yeah great pun but as long as there is no he it’s not going to be a high level menace
I assure you that you don’t have that opinion when it comes to the Allied CAS with its spam of bombs and rockets against the Germans since 2021.
Tell that to yourself, you want to compare a weapon used in combat in large quantities to one that’s practically nonexistent, like the T20. You’re also missing the point about the spare parts for those German soldiers who killed other soldiers Americans, British, Poles, French, and Soviets at the hands of Germans with those weapons you hate
Not only was it stationary, it could also be used for shoulder-firing in close combat.
Any FlakPanzer IV is vulnerable to enemy infantry and tanks because it lacks armor to withstand enemy AT weapons Also, their cannons are ineffective against tanks in 1 vs 1 combat.
So because plenty of M2’s were produced but hardly any were used its TT worthy ?
Funny how these standards of yours switch between used / produced when ever it suits your bias.
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Sorry but 7000 for a rifle is not a large quantity in a war in which
The us had 6 million carbibes 3 million garands
The Soviets had 1.5 million svt rifles and even German managed to have 108 thousand and 400 thousand g41 and g43
Sorry but if tech tree is everything from 500 to 3 million itnloosescall meaning
A 1 in 40000 shot of getting a large quantity
A weapon that couldn’t even arm 5 percent of Germany paratroopers between 3 models is not a large quantity it’s ww2 tens of millions served millions died have some pride show some common sense
its about ~3.5 times more than M2 carbines, that hardly any were used.
But yet you suggest such gun to be TT against STG.
That’s in Europe not all of ww2:
But ok remove the m2’and 50 round thompson but also the fg42
Again either the bar needs to go to the floor or the knee not the ankle
sophisticated guess is less than hundred in europe & total combined with pacific is ~200 at maximum.
So stg vs garand & 30round tommy ?
makes sense, not.
Sucks to suck but that would be ww2
Garand and thompson
Vs g41 g43 stg44
Yeah late war Germany would have had ars
They would also have almost no air force
That aside yeah I hate all sf rifles and there the linch pin making br4 anspd 5:so unbalanced
Sorry but no one was using fg42s t20 avt auto heis what ever full caliber full autos in ww2
Bolt actions were largely used and only 5hevus issued even sacas general issue
okay so here we are using some alternative statistic that doesnt really suit your made / used bias ?
Pretty sure FG’s were used unlike the rest you mentioned. But apparently this doesnt exactly suit your used bias so I guess we will need to use some other alternative here like how many were made ?
It was used by a specialist class that represented a fraction of the army but couldn’t even arm them
180 000 paratroopers 9000 made between the 1s 2s and prototype model. By used I mean general issue it was a specialist weapon.
It’s funny how you ignore anything I say until I make a mistake
For the hundredth time I said we only need prototype s to balance bs wunderwoiof weapons
And yes the fg42 is a wunderwaf weapon it had less then 10000 made a d God knows how few used
but just as we speak in other topic you are circlejerking for chaffee that had less than 5k made.
Your standards seems to be quite loose depending does it benefit you or not.
Again you use the numbers to your advantage, since the T20 with 0 units in the war is not comparable to those FG42s.But as I mentioned, these are still large quantities, and how many squadrons can be formed with that weapon Whether as a primary or secondary weapon
The FG42 saw more combat than the Grand Tu M2 and T20, unlike the .50mm Thompson. They can keep the Thompson, and I have no problem with that weapon.
but just as we speak in other topic you are circlejerking for chaffee that had less than 5k made.
because the fg42 is a rifle and the m24 chaffe is a tank
its like saying there were only four iowas built, and so
i dont want the 50 round thompson if germany keeps the fg42
sorry but germany having the only ar and sf rifle is again not ww2
and again 7000 would not be a large number for ww1 ww2 the korean or vietnam war its not a large number
Kinda is ? Its quite simple it was used in ww2 so it fits the ww2.
Unfortunately this doesnt exactly suit your bias, so “production number” muh meh
yes in tiny numbers, if we had a battle point system fine but most german riflermen had the kar98
not the blood fg42, g43 41 or zh29
20 million germans in uniform 9000 total fg42s alll models
2000 protype model
2000 1s
5000 2s