Feedback on Italy in Tunisia Campaign (Recommendations for Improvement)

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First, let me be absolutely clear. I love that Italy is in this campaign. True to my word I bought my way into the CBT as I have been long asking for this Nation to join the fight.

That out of the way I would like to offer what I hope to be constructive feedback:

I am having a hard time telling the two factions apart due to the fact that both are wearing the same color uniform. No idea how to fix this, and honestly, this is probably a good thing.

While I am slightly disappointed at how many units are German, the meta units are Italian and that is great. Given that I will take what I can get, I would prefer more Italian units if possible. They did have the Brixia Model 35 mortar and the Model 35 and improved model 40 flamethrowers. So there is this capacity within historical weapons.

Check your subunits. The Armored Regiment of the 132 Division Corazzata was the 132 Armored Regiment, not the 10th Armored Regiment (It did have a 10th battalion but Italians used Roman numerals for their Battlions so it would be X Battalion). All Italian Armored divisions used the same regiment number as division number except for the 131 Division Corazzata (Centauro) which used the 31st Armored Regiment.

Italian Medium Machine guns weren’t great. But I would prefer to use them at least in the first MG squad instead of the MG 34. The MG 34 is amazing, but the Italian Breda 30 or Breda 5g existed and could be good enough. And we could get the MG 34 for the second MG squad with a German unit.

The Semovente doesn’t seem anywhere near as good as the Grant. It definitely needs HE rounds to make it effective against infantry. Also they were part of the 135 Artillery Regiment not the Armored Regiment. Maybe the Brits could start with something a little more on par with the Semovente. Or you could give Italy the M14/41 to start and a British Equivalent like the Crusaders in your video. I see the Semovente as a follow on vehicle for the first tank unit and the second tank unit being German.

Finally, I would love to see a Bersaglieri unit. I need those helmets with feathers.

Thanks for the work thus far and thanks for your consideration.

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I concur with these observations. I think the M34 resonates most clearly with me, it should be swapped out to a Breda asap given that this MG already exists and you’ve tested it in the Normandy campaign.
I would also like the G41 on the Signals Team Leader replaced with the Armaguerra Mod.39 please, its little details like this that spoil the immersion.

There are also too many US units in the British line up, I understand that this may be a cut and paste given all the work that’s gone into the Axis side, but this should be addressed as a priority.

Finally, I highly encourage the Devs to go get some of the basic tanks out of your WT pool, you have more than enough representative exemplars in there. The ones you’ve chosen here seem like very bizzare choices given the previous scope. This is certainly an opportunity to showcase the plethora of classical British and Italian armour you have available.

On a side note, I really like the motorcycle recon teams ! I want to re-highlight the point made by another poster in a different thread that the controls for the bikes seem a bit wonky, but the ability to rapidly flank with them is superb.

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Good points all. Thanks for piling on.

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I just deployed the 75/32 M41 in the last game. Whilst there is nothing wrong with this vehicle per se, other than ammo load out options as mentioned above, this is a pretty poor balancing option vs the Grant.
Firstly, the M41 is slow as hell, so its already explosive pack fodder, secondly it has no ability to defend itself vs infantry rushes, which when combined with the sluggishness of this vehicle make it completely ineffective for its potential purpose.
Fundamentally this just highlights some very poor design choices which have plagued Enlisted all along. I get the fact that you can’t have the A think tank for every step of the journey, but as short sighted decisions go, this one ranks right up there… You should have just implemented one of the many tanks which the Italians have access to, since the dynamics, short ranges and effectively a requirement to reinforce CQB is the primary role of armour in your game, rather than trying to find a sniping spot and hope to drill a faster moving tank with rounds that can’t deliver a one shot kill…
I think this vehicle needs to be removed and replaced with an actual tank. If you’re going to implement any TDs then you need to make sure that they have MGs because the abstraction of the general game dynamics you have implemented has already skewed the value/threat of an armoured vehicles writ large.

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Could the 75/18 be a valid replacement, with HEAT and HE shells making its firepower basically on par with Pz.IV F1 and M8 Scott (and hopefully with a comparable ROF too)?

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I’m not sure about the military uniform color, but it seems certain that Italy also wears a helmet similar to Brody’s, making it difficult to identify a foe.

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Also Italians helmets should lose German insignias and get theyr own. Weapon wise i think they just wanted some balance for now, there will definitely be another weapons at launch, same as it was with Berlin CBT.
Semovente is here to test imo, same as Grant, i think they will be on different levels once campaign map comes.
Unit names are bad 10th Armored regiment is name of armored unit in 135 Divisione Corazzata “Ariete II” so they should definitely change that. Tbh Centauro division would be more appropriate as it was there as whole Division iirc and not as an remnant unit like Ariete.

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I also like the heraldry of the Centauro better. AND it was the first Italian Armored Division. Greanted the Ariete was the most decorated as they were in North Africa for the whole of Italy fighting there. I am fine with either, but would prefer they get the units right at least. Also, I don’t think the Ariete had any tanks left in Tunisia. Just the Semoventes.

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Maybe Centauro will be Premium tank unit.
I’m fine with both either, and tbh Ariete is my favorite Italian armored unit.

We will see what will come in future. Now iˇm just glad that Italians are there, and not only as premium squads.

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I’ve been looking into Italian Uniforms in North Africa. They seemed to have different boots than what is in the game now. They also had some shorts available and the badging on the headgear is all wrong. Ofc, I’m not an expert in this stuff. Hopefully we see more “customizability” on the Italian troops moving forward.

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Some more on Italian Tanks:

The Italian vehicles POSSIBLE:

Medium Tanks: M11/39, M13/40, M14/41 (M15 and P40 were completed after May 1943)
Of all of these only the M14/41 was Present at Tunisia as far as I can tell. Thus for HISTORICAL purposes it would be the only one available. It should be in the game as an early tank as it isn’t great but would match up okay with Stuarts or Crusaders. And it was actually there. The M11/39 only saw limited production and they (excepting 4 prototypes in Italy) were destroyed by the time of the Tunisia campaign. It has a sponson mounted 37mm gun and a turret with two MG’s. Technically possible it is a pretty terrible tank and no need to stretch to add it. The M13/40 is basically a previous iteration of the M14/41. Not in the Tunisia campaign, but existing in the Italian Army, it is technically possible, but not really necessary. So, looks like the M14/41 is it. Still, it would work as a first/early tank depending on the competition.

Light Tanks: AB41 and L6/40. (AB42 and AB 43 were completed after Tunisia) The AB 41 is a four wheeled armored car. As it was deployed to Tunisia it is also quite historical It is a light armored care with an automatic 20mm. It would be a lot like the Pz IIC in the Moscow Campaign, but less armor and worse cross country mobility. The L6/40 is a very light tank (6 tons and a 2 man crew) with a 20mm autocannon like the AB 41. Very similar to the Pz IIC but smaller. This would work better than an AB 41 in that it has better armor and tracks. It was also deployed to Tunisia. Both could be found in the 15th ReCO in the 131 Centauro Armored Division.

For Semoventes there is only the Semovente 75/18 at the time of Tunisia. (Yes there were better Semoventes of this type but none were really completed till after Tunisia) It was also deployed there. We have it in the CBT and it’s problems are obvious. However, I think it could still be a vehicle if given HE rounds and potentially it’s HEAT rounds. This would be something for a Premium squad maybe? It’s not great but a big 75mm HE round could really mess some infantry up.

For the Top end Tank Squad. I believe we have to go with Germany. There are Pz III variants, Pz IV variants, and Tigers available depending on what tanks Enlisted Devs decide for Britain.

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They’re all options. The AP capability of the 75/32 M41 is sufficient. It simply has no place in this game, where fearless infantry will suicide rush it with detpacks. Essentially any vehicle introduced into this game without MGs is basically the Devs trolling the player base.

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The M14/41 really need’s it’s hull mounted MG’s. Right now they are not weapons you can use. This needs to change.

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They need to correct MG bug. Then it will be more usefull against infantry.

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True, but the gun are magazine fed so they have low ammo and lots of reload time. I just think it is very appropriate to give the hull MG’s. Especially as things like the T-28 get all those MGs

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Thats because it can use them already in WT, they are gonna need to work on them in enlisted for them to work.

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Sure, still needs to be done.

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Feedback after playing Phase II for a while:

I’m having fun. The Motorcycles add a cool new dimension and the maps have a very different feel.

The M14/41 works GREAT for now. Feels really well balanced against the A13 and Daimler. Slower, slower rate of fire, better gun. Against infantry, the fairly potent HE shell is nice, but the Machine Guns stink. And will stink even after the coax is debugged. The Hull MG’s need to be modeled and added to the firepower. There has been talk of replacing the AB 41 with the L6. I would love to test it out. But personally I find the AB 41 to be okay.

The mixing of the nations is understandable but causes problems IMO. First you end up with these squads composed of a mish mash of German and Italian Troops. There needs to be a mechanism to address this. And no, paying Gold to change the name is not satisfactory as you may need ot change the name mulitple times as this troop moves around squads. Personally? I would love to see that each troop has a German and an Italian persona, including name and look. And you can switch between them and customize each of them. You then get the German Persona in german squads and the Italian Persona in the Italian Squads.

The Italian Uniforms suck. the boots are wrong. the Pith Helmets are wrong. My Pilot has his helmet clipping into his head. They are plain. there is no variety. The gear options are thin and anemic. This feels like closed alpha level of finished.

The Italian soldier models suck. Their heads are all too big for their bodies. Some look like they are wearing lipstick. Again, unpolished, closed alpha level of finished.

There are STILL inaccuracies with units in the Italian Faction. Heck, I’m pretty sure the 132 Tank division was basically a shell by the time it arrived in Tunisia. The 131 would be a better choice. And neither had a 10th Tank Regiment in Tunisia.

The Italian small arms are great. I love the options and I love the way they play. Sure sure, a point by point comparison would show advantages for allied equipment But, from my point of view I will play with slightly worse Italian equipment. I would just look at subtle ways you could help such as with accuracy or recoil adjustments to compensate for magazine size or reload time. However poor the uniforms and soldier models are, the weapon models are great.

The maps are amazing. The buildings are works of art. Love all of it.

Digging seems pointless with all the buildings, but still a good mechanic to add. I’m just not finding myself using it much so I can’t give good feedback.

The Fighter planes need ground attack armament. Right now you are punished for using them, and they are the best deterrent for bombers. You MUST give them a ground attack ability so a player can do SOMETHING while waiting for enemy attacker/bombers to spawn.

Finally, still too much Germany. There isn’t a single German Squad (Including the Stuka and the motorcycle) that don’t have legitimate Italian equivalents. I’d rather this stayed in a beta state longer to just get rid of all the germans. There are still small arms available to the Italians that are not in the game. There are plenty of crew served weapons to take the place of the German ones. I see no reason to include Germany before the second tank squad. Furthermore, I see ways to not include Germany at all. Although you gonna have to give the Semovente really good rounds, a good reload time and a roof mounted MG to make it the basis for the second tank squad.

So all in all, great gameplay, weak fighter aircraft, terrible Italian uniform and soldier models, great weapons, too much Germany, Great maps and too much Germany. The most important thing, of course, being too much Germany.

Respectfully Submitted,
Conte Baracca

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I will go level by level (For Axis as that is what I play) and then give some general impressions.

FW 190 A-1 at level 16. German plane going into an Italian squadron. There are Italian options here. Specifically the MC 202 and the RE 2001 / RE 2002. Also. Fighter planes NEED some sort of light ground attack ordnance. They are the best counter to attacker/bomber aircraft you should not punish a player for wanting to counter those by giving them nothing to do while they wait for them to spawn. It can be light. All of the problems of aircraft revolve around the power of bombers. not fighters.

Level 17. German Flamethrower squad. Flamethrowers are still pretty useless in this game, but the Italians used Flamethrowers of their own design and consistently improved them. No reason not to have an Italian Flamethrower squad. Would rather an Italian one. Too many Germans.

Level 18. The Semovente is in every way worse than the Grant. You will need to replace this with a German Pz III or Pz IV and have a German unit here or do some major buffing to the Semovente. Give it a roof MG, powerful HE rounds, and a killer reload or this thing is DoA.

Level 19. ZB-26. A better MG. Sure it is Czech made, but Italy doesn’t really have many light MG options. Honestly, the only option would be captured French FM 24/29. And as much as I would like to see that, I certainly can’t justify it over the ZB-26.

Level 20. Infantry Squad II is also German along with Infantry Squad I. I think this can stay, as much as I want an Italian one, as long as there are mechanisms to have Italian Infantry troops in the game. One that doesn’t involve orders or Gold.

Level 21. Italians had motorcycles, with sidecars and MG’s. But still, it is great to see a free option for the motorcycle squad. I haven’t unlocked it yet, I just hope it gets an engineer, as I feel this is the most important part of the squad.

Level 22. Italian Assault squad with a faster firing SMG. Everything about this is good. Can’t wait to get it

Level 23. I would like to see an Italian Solothurn here, but hey I get it. The HEAT grenades are good, solid weapons.

Level 24. Italian Fighter Squadron? Check. 20mm armed death machine? Check. This looks great. Still think Fighters should get ground attack ordnance, but in lieu of that this is the best possible pick and will be devastating against other aircraft.

Level 25. German Engineer unit after getting an Italian one for Engineer I. No real problems with this. I would rather an Italian one of course, but this is a solid pick and the Gewehr 41 is a great weapon.

Level 26. Another Italian SMG? Count me in. It’s is a more accurate version of the SMG you get at Level 8. Which I actually really like. So all good here.

Gold ticket Rifle: AMAZING. Freaking AWESOME. A hard hitting semi-auto rifle? Just thank you. The Pavesi M42 is gorgeous too.
Gold Ticket Troop: Italian Medal winning Assaulter? Love literally everything about this.

Bersaglieri Premium Assault Squad? Must get.

M13/40 Premium Tank Squad? You are making me go broke here!!!. Love it.

Finally, general opinions. I can see improvements to the uniforms and such. Keep it up, still a ways to go, but great to see.

Still too much Germany for me. I hope this doesn’t become entrenched and serious options for converting some of them to Italy are discussed, vetted, and hopefully implemented.

All in all, however, as an Italy fan. I can build competitive lineups with just Italian units and I love that.

Things are coming along nicely. Not perfectly, but hey, some people like playing Germany, which is weird, but hey, what you gonna do?

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