F7F-1 and KI-83 Rework Balance ⚠

Hmm, those two aircraft could effectively be split into early and late variants for separate use. Yeah, aside from the FW model, Germany’s rocket-powered planes have become extremely rare. It’s a bummer these two still can’t get bumped up to BR 3.

@Emperor_Yoshiro , hey, how about playing together in a team? What BR do you prefer?

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I play all BRs all factions but I hate BRs without planes and second I play for fun not to win so you can add me but I dont play meta for a long time. And sometimes im online but since I do other stuff I cant always play when you see me online sometimes Im there just to check something but you can add me but im not super active unless they add more Japanese aircrafts xD

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Well, I actually specialize in Japanese small arms. Purely hypothetically, if the wing can handle a drop tank, shouldn’t it be able to handle a 250 kg bomb? For that matter, the mounting systems for 250 kg bombs and drop tanks are pretty similar (though they are different). Plus, some planes in the A6M Zero series could carry heavy bombs instead of a drop tank. The book “The X-planes of Imperial Japanese Army & Navy 1924-45” literally shows an illustration of a drop tank setup on the Ki-83.

And if we want to get creative, we could just use drop tanks as napalm, like we already see with the A6M3 in-game (just a joke, mostly). Long story short, I don’t have a definitive answer, but it feels like a single-source mistake, and I’m leaning towards it only carrying 30–50 kg bombs. Then again, if the devs already gave it 100 kg bombs (which aren’t in the sources anyway), I don’t see why 250 kg bombs would be a problem either.

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Well they first need to put the bombs on the right plance in game they are on the wrong place :smiley:


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I don’t have good quality images sadly but you can see that ingame the bombs are in the wrong place. But the hardpoints can carry all standard Japanese bombs. There is even one example with a 250-kg bomb on an external sling:
Уголок неба ¦ Mitsubishi Ki-83
Ki-83 Mitsubishi


Now you can send this guy directly to Mongolia with his new anime avatar and Dakimakura and Декард for company :rofl:

So, in other words, there’s still no 100% confirmation of your words? I never denied that, purely hypothetically, it could carry such armament. But whether it was ever actually realized in practice is hard to say. And judging by the fact that different sources give different information and there are no photos confirming it, I’m inclined to think that it wasn’t. So, you still haven’t managed to refute my words.
Also by the way, in that last thread you cared so little about it that you edited your post four times in an hour?)))
And the Kurils are still Russian anyway))

I’ve been watching this weird discussion go off on a tangent for a while now, but before even getting into the Northern Territories stuff — is he even Japanese? Or is he just someone from another country who simply likes the Japanese military? If he’s not Japanese, then this whole thing is extremely ridiculous.

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I feel vindicated now that the tigercat is coming to enlisted and most of the nay sayers are now here in this post already trying to rework stuff

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I’m Russian and I like the Japanese faction. I support strengthening it to a competitive level.

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I mean i get it but japan just had worse aircraft for the most part especially anything past like 1943 or 44

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I’m not interested in planes; I don’t use them at all.
I’m an infantry player.

Well yea definitely some more wiggle room there maybe for japan to get some cool stuff

The ki 103 never existed its a paper airplane

Yes it was however the indication that they had in mind to make ground attacker variant suggest that it was possible for Ki 83 to carry bigger bomb loads then the interceptor variant. So the hardpoints on Ki 83 where normal hard points according to Kita Aobayama Library science departments at Tohoku University in Sendai, Japan. Like all other Japanese aircraft of its time i can carry the standard payloads and drop tanks.

Neither does half the other things in the Japanese TT. Pretty sure there’s a tank that was only a wooden model or a single prototype. Then there’s things like the condors SMG.

Or :

Scotti_Naval_model

This variant of the rifle is also :smiley:

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The conders atleast had a prototype yes the americans had to finish it but the ho ri “production” the tank youre referring to is much worse i believe the main gun was the only thing ever completed

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There’s a couple more tanks in the TT too from memory. Most of the BR 4 tanks. You’ll have to read their descriptions as I can’t remember which ones but I remember it says it in the description.

What documents from this library are you referring to

Open their official website:

https://aobamil.sakura.ne.jp/index.html

Go on the Ki category find Ki-83 :

https://aobamil.sakura.ne.jp/mil-dic/Ki.html

‘’ <キ-83>:日本陸軍試作戦闘機。昭和16年5月23日の遠距離高々度戦闘機計画に基づいて三菱が開発した双発戦闘機で、爆撃機の援護を行うため、高々度を遠距離(行動半径1500km)高速飛行できる機体が要求された。当初は翼面積40平方メートルの大型機に2名が搭乗する予定で昭和18年2月にモックアップ審査を行ったが、戦闘機と交戦するには小型の方が良いという戦闘機操縦者側の意見に押されて翼面積34平方メートルの小型機に変更することになり、昭和18年7月8日に敵戦闘機迎撃に使用する最大速度800km以上(高度10000m付近)の長距離機(高度4000mを巡航速度465kmで4.5時間、増槽付きで更に2時間飛行し、高度8000mで30分の全力飛行を行える)で、実用上昇限度13000mという要求が纏まった。ただ開発には困難が予想されたため、遠距離偵察機(キ-95)や襲撃機(キ-103)に止めることも計画されている。層流翼などを採用して空力学的に洗練された機体に、ターボチャージャーエンジンナセル最後部内側に搭載)付きエンジンを搭載し、ファウラーフラップ(変角20度、30度、40度、45度)とドループエルロンを装備して高々度高速性能と操縦安定性を両立させた。翼と胴体は分割して量産性を考慮し、水平尾翼主翼後流を避けて胴体中心線より高い位置に装着してある。主翼層流翼断面MAC357系で、取り付け角は翼根2度・翼端0度、捩り下げ角2度、上反角7/100、テーパー比0.45、縦横比7.174、相当翼弦2.28m。空気抵抗を減らすため、風防キャノピーは小型戦闘機並に小さく、偵察員は胴体タンク後方に前向きに座って小さな偵察窓から後方を監視、航法通信も行う。操縦席直後には防弾鋼板が張られている。降着装置尾輪式で、エンジンナセルの主車輪は後ろに、尾輪は前に引き込まれる。武装は機首に集中させ、排煙が風防にかからないよう、胴体中心線よりも下に取り付けた(20mmが上段、30mmが下段)。初号機は昭和19年10月に完成、11月18日に試験飛行を開始し、最初はカウリングを小さくしすぎて十分な空気を吸い込めず、所定の出力が出なかったが、改良を加えて高度5000mで時速655kmを記録、スーパーチャージャー全速駆動ではないが高度9000mで704.5km(計測値)を出した。2号機は操縦席下方に大きな偵察窓を設けて下方視界を確保できるようにし、昭和20年1月に完成したが、3月9日に風圧で風防が吹き飛び操縦士を直撃、墜落して失われた。3号機は3月、4号機は4月に完成(ターボチャージャー未搭載、集合排気管装備)してターボチャージャー以外のテストに供されたが、両機とも6月25日に各務原が空襲を受けて全損した。5号機はエンジン架のゴムパッキン工作不良からくるエンジン振動を解決するため補機室を改造して大型緩衝ゴムを装着できるようにし、インタークーラーを省いてターボチャージャーの吸入系を簡素化する計画だったが、完成前に終戦となった。初号機は6月26日の空襲で被弾損傷し、修理して松本飛行場に送られ終戦を迎えた。戦後にアメリカに引き渡され、高オクタン価ガソリンを使用してテストしたところ、高度8000mで時速762kmを記録した。全長12.5m、全幅15.5.m、全高4.6m、自重5980kg、全備重量8930-9430kg。エンジンはハ-211ル空冷二重星型18気筒(ル3ターボチャージャー付き。離昇出力2200馬力公称出力1930馬力双発プロペラはVDM電気(油圧?)定速式4翅(直径3.5m)、巡航速度450km、最大速度705km(高度9000m)/686km(8000m)/655km(5000m)、実用上昇限度12660m、燃料容量2600-3200リットル(メタノール250リットル、潤滑油170リットル)、航続距離2800km(機内燃料のみ)/3500km(増槽付)。固定武装は機首30mm機関砲ホ155(80発)2門と20mm機関砲ホ5(160発)2門。外翼下面に50kgまたは250kg爆弾2発または増槽2本を装備可能。乗員2名(操縦士偵察員)。参考:世界の傑作機No.24、第2次世界大戦軍用機ハンドブック・日本篇、歴史群像6,’08""

Literally on majority of websites it states the same thing that it can carry 250 kg bombs:

Twin-engine heavy fighter