I think it’s intellectually dishonest to consider a Mkb with non-historic magazine capacity as complete fake. And be omparing it to some possibly historically inaccurate prototypes.
Rather to say what it is. And to compare it to something which is present in the game in numerous instances already.
But whatever, I really don’t think you are going to achieve anything. It’s simply annoying to me. When people are trying to push their agendas, hiding it behind something that’s not really important at all.
But it is? The magazine is just plainly wrong. Maybe “fake” is the wrong word, maybe “inaccurate” is more correct, or maybe it is acceptable acceptable to use such language to call out knowingly missrepresenting the truth. The grace-prediod is over, the devs have been informed, and they’re knowingly letting it slide, and I’d consider that as being “fake”.
So, that’s a matter of definition and language here, it’s not a bad faith opinion or arguing based on a fallacy.
Did I compare them? I don’t think I did, I brought them up as their own seperate thing, that’s not a comparison.
Perhaps the game is riddled with these innacuracies, but I don’t think so. What? We’ve got 1) The very recent SNR, 2) The Stinger which has already been commented on and 3) The German APC.
That’s not that many, and also points to a very recent trend of magazine size issues, it’s not wrong to ask for these issues to be addressed.
Think if it like this; is it a acceptable response to the request “please take out the trash” really “but the paperbasket on the second floor is also overflowing”? I don’t think it is, and rather than letting these issues pile up they should instead be fixed. Maybe you don’t care? And that’s fine, but I see no point in arguing against it, we don’t have to choose between “fun” and “accurately depicted weapons”, it’s a question of implementation, they’re not inherently mutually exlusive.
Appealing to some sort of conspiracy bairly worked with the SNR, what’s the conspiracy for apparently wanting to “nerf” the Mkb 15-rounds?
I’m sorry you feel annoyed Adamn, but I think you’ve thrown your horse into the wrong ring, I don’t see why you feel the need to even defend these inclusions, your standpoint is just “I want what’s the most fun”, why can’t you work together with people to achieve that, rather than vehemently defend something you actually don’t care about.
If you don’t care about representing weapons accurately, that’s fine, but you’re also ruining the fun of people who do think that’s important. Why is that okay exactly if the “HA crowds” behaviour is also unacceptable?
Besides Stalingrad and Tunisia, maps like Moscow and rzhev are easily identical to the terrain of the battles that took shape in Ukraine 1944 as well. So those maps I don’t care about. Tunisia and Stalingrad on the other hand aren’t really identical to anything else but themselves.
Shit is so dumb. If the 15 rd mag is too much for you, then how about it gets 30rd mag but is only filled with 15 bullets due to lack of resources for germany…or it could just have the 15 rd mag and people shut up about it.
AFAIK it’s from british testing where they only had 15 rounds of 6.5 Carcano to test it with, or that they were rationed or something.
Thanks for the whataboutism Adam.
Who are these “HA enthusiasts”, is Ogge or me included in those? Because at least on my part I’ve never used historical accuracy as an argument ever.
It’s called a whataboutism.
Ok, fair enough, that probably was a bit too far on my end. I recant my statement, genuinely. Now that I think about it it doesn’t actually make sense what I said…
I should’ve listed it with weapons that have the wrong magsize, as in the Stinger, Vollmer VMP and Scotti Naval Rifle. I genuinely apologize.
And what agenda would that be? The HA agenda?
Because either option is stupid… Either they make shit up or they make it dumb… Hence the only good choice is to just make it 10 rounds since that’s the magazine they modeled anyway.
Why should we shut up about it? The game is supposed to have some level of accuracy and shouldn’t make up things when not necessary in the slightest. There never was a 15 rd Mkb mag and the model doesn’t reflect this fictious magazine size either. The gun is modelled with a 10 round mag that actually existed which could and should be used instead.
Because a 15 rd mag is arguably better for gameplay. There’s already the mkb 35 in br2. At 10 rds even if in br2 it’s pointless. The 15rds is useable in br3 with it’s higher rof and better recoil. So again, it could just have a 30rd mag that doesn’t get filled all the way to compensate, or it could just have the mag it does now with 15 rds.
But it has somewhat consistently been accurate in its equipment presentation, especially when it comes to guns that almost never get shown in media.
Which would only make sense if you have one mag with just 15 rounds… Why would you take 2x 15 round partial mags over x full ones… unless you’re really stupid…
Nice false equivalency… Do you seriously not understand why what you just said doesn’t make sense…?
If you only have 10 round mags, you use those, but if you have 30 round mags you don’t use half full ones when you can have full ones…
It was a comparison to what you said. Just lol. Your argument is logically flawed. My arguement is game balance. Not “authenticity”. Authenticity argument is flawed for many reasons, one being what you just tried to make fun of, not to mention no one taking 10rd mags for this in to battle in the first place, and since this is a game and not real life. Game balance should and does take priority here.
Which is fucked anyway, it’s an event weapon, that’s already surpassed as is by the Mkb 35.
Who are you quoting? It certainly isn’t me.
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Which is a non-argument, especially in this context (unless you’re Veekay), thanks for playing though.
Except that everything in the game is trying to model things from real life, so when you model A and then claim it’s B where B doesn’t exist and never has, you’re doing something wrong. Especially since you can balance around the very real things you’re trying to portray, why do the opposite, sacrifice the portrayal at the altar of balance rather than trying to make the two get along.