Ah I see, thank you once again DELAVR in your diligent and dedicated work.
Do you have any idea if the 5 and 10 round magazines were interchangeable at all with the Ultra-light machine gun and visa versa with the 20 and 30 rounds mags fitting into the Type Hei rifles at all?
I don’t think they have interchangeable weapons. I don’t have any documentary sources.
Both versions could use 20- and 30-round magazines. However, only 20-round magazines were used during testing; they were likely simply more convenient. For example, Mauser used a 10-round magazine during testing of the StG 45, as the 30-round magazine interfered with mounting the weapon on a tripod. Considering that Watanabe’s ultralight machine gun couldn’t fire a 20-round magazine without a hitch, there’s no point in using a 30-round magazine.
Alas, someone will have to do some necromancy and ask the original designers if it was possible.
Nonetheless thank you very much for the research you’ve done. It’s truly invaluable.
Oh I see that makes a lot of sense in the context of testing. It’s a shame it ended up being so problematic, it would have been interesting to see what else could be done with the design.
No problem I made the post before I go to bed 
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A rare Japanese pre-war semi-automatic rifle, Ogura trial-produced a semi-automatic rifle - iNEWS
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I saw the article last night I was not interested until I saw the pictures its so clear it can use a scope.
Even on Forgotten weapons all of the Ko rifles have scope mounts but in the videos its mentioned they don’t fit the original Arisaka scope so im not sure the scope they used.
Japanese Army Pedersen Copy Trials Rifle - YouTube
He even mentions some had detachable boxes variant. Funny enough they actually saw combat.
This one is the other option but im not sure will it be good BR IV rifle but is an option same like the Nambu 1933 prototype but there is very little info about it but if I had more probably would go with it.
Its not yet sadly this is the rifle UK would have ended if they had money :
The first British assault rifle? The FN Model 1949 AFN with firearms expert Jonathan Ferguson.
Around 50+ models where made very similar to Type Hei rifle. There is earlier SLEM-1 version and one more SLEM in April 1945 is the one from the picture serial number 51.
yes
The second and last sources are rather poor; it seems the author is confusing a competition from the 1930s with one from the 1940s. All known Type Ko rifles were made in 6.5mm caliber; the last order, as far as I remember, was in 1937, for eight (four short and four long). The rifles were supplied with bipods and optical sights.
It shouldn’t fit, since the Type Ko rifle (like the Type Hei and Type Ostsu rifles) was made several years before the Type 97 scope was introduced. The only scope Japan had at the time was the experimental Type 5 scope, which was undergoing military trials in Northern Manchuria (it was intended for the experimental Type 38 sniper rifles). Also, the mounts for the Type 38 sniper rifles and the Type Otsu and Type Ko rifles are very similar, so I’m sure the Type 5 scopes should fit the 1930s-era semi-automatic rifles.
Thats why im not sure why they say it wont fit the regular one specially this variant since it was used in Okinawa:
But really thats the most realistic semi auto for Japan since it was intended to have a scope and its not even on a single rifle but on multiple rifles of the Ko Type I dont know what the devs are waiting and not giving us a semi auto with scope.
And also here they have a chart that shows they had Pedersen Variant in 7.7 :
While the original Pedersen is 7×51mm:
| Prototype A | leader | ６．５ | １１６０ | ４．３ | ７５０ | ３５００ | １１００ | circularfixedmagazine | １０ | Single | About 30 | Reactionary use |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| short | ６．５ | １０７０ | －－－ | ７４０ | ||||||||
| Prototype B | leader | ６．５ | １１６０ | ４．３ | ７５０ | ３５００ | １１００ | Box magazine | ５ | Single | About 30 | gas recoil |
| short | ６．５ | １０６０ | －－－ | ７４０ | １０ | |||||||
| Pettersen | leader | ７．７ | １１１７ | ４．０ | ８２０ | ２５００ | １０００ | Bullet Frame | １０ | Single | 25 to 50 | recoilbarrelfixed |
| short | ７．７ | １０６８ | ３．８５ | ８２０ |
So the different prototypes have interesting prototype B it states it has box magazine 5 or 10 and its gas operated. Maybe its this one:
That can be our BR IV weapon its 7.7 and it has detachable box mag. Or that’s the B ? And the one at the bottom also it states its a faithful copy of the Pedersen so im not sure which one is the Pedersen 7.7 ? Or its some other rifle that 7.7 ?
This must be the 7.7 rifle it was in two versions short and long and it was recoilbarrelfixed:
Japanese Army Pedersen Copy Trials Rifle
so this is the recoilbarrelfixed with 10 rounds according to the chart 7.7 rifle is recoilbarrelfixed while the other Ko rifle is Reactionary use:
Japanese Pedersen Rifle - YouTube
So I think I got it the early(Pedersen version) version of type Ko rifle that was recoilbarrelfixed 7.7 was actually loaded like a M1 Garand (however you put two strippers instead of one) while the other Rifle 6.5 is loaded like a Johnson Rifle like the Ko version we have in game.
Great work
As long as it’s not a 6.5mm Arisaka bullet.
Certainly, low-power ones are fatal, so they are not good for sniping.
I’m looking for a semi-automatic rifle that uses a 7.7mm Arisaka bullet, and I couldn’t find it except for Type 4.
To be honest, They buff Type.4 tremendously (such as reloading speed and dispersion), and I think I’d better add ZH-29 as well since there is no 7.7mm box magazine.
Anyway, a 7.7mm semi-automatic rifle is always welcome.
both japan and US need a br4 semi auto rifle i aprreciate this suggestion : )
lol and here’s gun jesus reviewing a semi auto rifle that used 20rnd mags he posted today
Yeah I watched it very interesting rifle if we go for 20 rounds
I’m different from you; my plan is for the American side to use the MAS44 rifle.
IF we add the French to the allies there is a nice BR 5 LMG and many other weapon’s:
Interestingly, I once thought of a plan to ‘create’ a French technology tree. Of course, it was just a fantasy.
I had similar idea long time ago but I never finish them:
New Faction British Commonwealth and The Free French - Suggestions - Enlisted
Italian-German Faction or the Great split of Axis Faction - Suggestions - Enlisted
I was thinking this game gonna have 6 factions and I was going to separate the Axis to Italia-German faction and the rest of Axis nations and German faction and the allies to US Kiwi and Australians faction and the UK/Canada and France to the other faction but I never finish it since I realized there will be only 4 factions…
Subtrees would be a good way to do it. Essentially the same faction but different research trees, same points though, and different squads. You could bring all Riflemen 1s if you research all the factions and it wouldn’t split up matchmaking into separate factions.
my proposal is to add different faction trees, but lump all of the players together in the same matchmaker
germany and italian players would queue and be put into the same games side by side, total amount of people in the matchmaking system would remain the same
Totally agree. That’s two birds one stone.
