Ok I think that’s the easiest most balance way to balance vehicles using War thunder planes for BR I that’s the most balanced build however I have rework some existing planes that have no value in the current TT and I have added few new much needed BR I planes:
This will rework the C 202 to more realistic and more unique plane and will make the most iconic version of the Ju playable again by moving them to BR I and reworking the Prototype C 202 in to the real fighter plane that Italy deserves at BR I.
Well USSR have good amount of Fighter planes at BR I the biggest number but it lacks ground attackers by adding a ground attacker BR I USSR will be very interesting BR to play.
Changing the BR on D3A1 will make it amazing BR I plane and E13A1C getting 250 KG bomb and 2 cannons will make it interesting BR I option to D3A1.
I think that’s the most realistic and interesting BR I planes we can get BR II is stack with planes while BR I remains empty this changes will fix that.
All reasonable arguments, though the Blenheim and other similar aircraft might be a bit strong payload wise, though due to weak defences Im sure it will balance out. Maybe the Germans could get something like a Do17 to act as a balance to it?
I mean that would firmly place the Potez behind in armament, also I dont mind the Potez at BR1, honestly I dont use it even in BR1 because I dont consider it good.
Potez is allready in game absolutly similar and better plane and it has 200 kg bombs and Blenheim has 230 kg bombs.
Well they are 230 kg bombs actually and they can be replaced by 2 Ă— 500 LB S.A.P. Mk.II bomb that have even less blast radius.
For an instance Potez 200 kg No.1 has explosive mass of Explosive Mass
105 kg
2 Ă— G.P. 500 lb Mk.IV bomb Explosive Mass
65.5 kg
500 LB S.A.P. Mk.II bomb Explosive Mass Explosive Mass
40 kg
220 kg BRAB-220 Explosive Mass
38.2 kg
Now lets compare it with the German 250 kg SC250JA bomb:
Explosive Mass 125 kg
As you can see they are not even close to Explosive Mass of 125kg.
And lets compare it to the US 500 lb AN-M64A1 bomb:
Explosive Mass
119.7 kg
I have calculated the explosive mass to not be bigger then a 250 kg bomb majority are not even close to a 200 kg bomb.
Even the new Spitfire Bomb :
250 lb AN-M57 bomb - Explosive Mass 58.5 kg
then compare it with Hurricane :
G.P. 250 lb Mk.IV bomb - Explosive Mass
30.7 kg
As you can see the Spitfire single bomb is almost as powerful as Hurricane 2 bombs and they are the same weight. It really depends on the bomb. Just like with tank shells they have different values.
We cant move the Potrez to BR II since there it will be bad ground attacker compared to other ground attackers why would you use Potez when there is IL-2 or P-38-G or SBD-3 or Ju 87 D-5 and I can go on. Even the Premium Breda 88 is very weak BR II ground attacker that im not yet sure should it be BR I but since it has 3 heavy machine guns I restrained myself from moving it to BR I but the payload is very bad compared to other BR II ground attackers so the devs may think moving the Breda 88 to BR I.
I think the germany suggestion is great but the other faction suggestions not so great I think br2 should be the cut off for medium to heavy bombs while br1 only having small bombs since tanks in those br1 are lightly armored for the most parts
for germany? when I was flying one of those ju planes they were pretty slow so seeing 1of them at br1 would be fine. for Japan they just need more planes everywhere and ones that actually have front guns but when it comes to ussr and allies I think they have a good selection of planes in all battle ratings lol I just dont want to see more bigger bombs flying around in Lower BRs
The US bombs are with good explosive mass normally the U.K. early bombs well they are bad you can compare the Mosquito bomb with the P-51D-5 they are in game. The US fighter planes have much better bombs the the Mosquito thank god they moved it to BR III.
Yes they might only have limited explosives but you still get a fuckton of fragments with still cover decent range around the bomb, so they arent completely useless just because they got less filler.
As a rule of thumb for enlisted explosives it is:
More weight spent of filler = more range and pen
More weight spent of cassing = more frags expelled
So even the “deadweight” has a use.
While yes AP bombs are less potent, they at the end of the day still are big bombs that still can fuck shit up.
It has but I would prefer the Potrez bombs over the British or the Soviets bombs. So The Potrez will have the best payload or the Stuka.
If you are a tanker against infantry they are not that deadly compered to far more deadly IL-2 or P-38 rockets are the most deadly and the Stuka 500 kg bomb or Su -2 (M-82) all this planes are very good BR II Ground Attackers. Then its the German Ju-87-D5 and SBD-3 AP-1. B5N2 and Sb-2m are the worst that can be considered BR II everything else simply its not BR II.
How im I powercreeping the planes there is no BR I ground attackers except Germany you have tanks with HE shells far more deadly in BR I then Ground Attackers all the planes that I suggest are worse then the Potez. And lets not start with Fighter planes that have better payloads then many ground attackers just look at D3A1 and P-40E-1 Soviet how a fighter can be better at ground attacking they should not be on the same BR. On Average Fighter planes on BR I have payload of 200 kg of bombs ground attackers should have more.
Potez is exactly the only real BR I ground attacker since it has payload double of the average fighter plane. And you have same AA guns from BR I to BR V… so I don’t see the problem. If you cant kill a big slow Ground attacker how can you kill a fighter plane ? Its even positive since people will learn to use AA guns not to be send against Jets in BR V with zero experience in AA and getting absolutely destroyed. You have AA guns, Anti tank rifles, Raider class ,engineers and premium classes that can kill them endless amount of options even AA vehicles. In BR I you are far more protected against planes of the same BR then any other BR.
I think too much is being made of the potez payload. Literally the only thing going for it. It sets a pretty good baseline of what the difference should be between attackers and fighers. Also attackers are in short supply currently at BR 1 (there are options to be added for most nations. Soviets are hard, for BR 1 (yak-4 fits the bill (equivalent) but its only payload option is too big for BR 1), But they tend to carry more ordnance on their fighters.
Id actually be tempted for a Pe-3 (e) with a smaller payload to be BR 1…it really is a piece of crap flight model lol
Just look at the japan vs russia event. Bn52 vs su 2
Planes without guns or single MGs need to make up for it with something (and to be useful in Enlisted pretty much has to be bombs). Would not fit at all in BR 2 IMO
Potez 630 or 631 would be a nice addition for BR 2. (they at least have 20mm cannons and more machine guns)
yes exactly if ground attacker dont have good guns it must have very good payload or if has no guns at all even worse people simply dont understand ground attackers and cant separate them from fighter planes for them its the same class but its not.
its very important to have cannons or heavy machine guns since your main job is to hunt APCs also.
Well there is more options for BR I fighters and ground attackers I just added the most needed and the easiest to be fixed but Soviets can get something like Su-2 TSS-1 with same BRAB bombs. Its a bit too fast but the armament and the payload is on BR I level.
Japan also needs a lot BR II planes and real BR II ground attacker cuz right now Japanese BR II ground attackers are very very bad… and there is only 1 fighter plane with miserable payload. But I will make BR II Rebalance in the future i wish the devs start from BR I then II,III and finally BR IV and BR V.
