why br 4? because the flakvierings would be far too strong to be any where near br2
why do i want it? because it looks funny to me
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the game need more AA vehicle in general tbh
and maybe flame tank but those are irrelevant
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I still like how everyone seems to think quad 20mm SPAAGs would be worthy of a high BR, especially given that they all largely reload from a magazine.
They will not produce as many casualties as a short barrel 75mm spamming high explosive every 2.4 seconds, you do not require more than 1 hit with a 20mm to kill someone (Except apparently AA guns vs paratroopers), and 20mm HE has very limited splash.
You don’t really need to look past the existing 20mm tanks to see what kind of casualties they can inflict, and because the turret is barely armored, every infantry-held AT weapon can easily penetrate the turret.
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they are tanks that will sometimes shoot at planes and most often deal with ground targets.
for ground targets their powerlevel is mid BR2, as every br3 tank is much stronger offensively and the good br2 tanks also outperform it.
their AA power is around BR 2.5: Much better than MGMCs with the 2 HMGs but only 2 BRs stronger at best.
compared to even the worst BR4 tank this is a joke and BR4 planes become too fast/too powerful against ground targets to make this useful.
so the expected performance of this tank would be between BR2&3.
this is miles away from BR4. enlisted players seem to have extreme difficulties properly understand power levels & balance in general.
if DF is smart they release a powerful and well armored BR3 version and a slightly nerfed event/premium version for BR2.
slightly means slower and/or slightly worse armor and/or slower reload.
EDIT: its even worse, their ground performance is that of low BR2 tanks since the weapons are mid BR2 power and the tanks protections is high BR1/lowBR2. making the overall power mid BR2.
the ability to shoot at planes is nice to have, but not worth a whole BR jump. Every BR2 and most BR1 tanks can oneshot these SPAAs easily with AP & HE.
The best option is to put them into BR2 with some TT versions and some event/premium with the latter being buffed by speed/armor/fire rate/reload metrics.
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For allies, we could get the Skink.
Not because I’m a biased Canadian. Just because it’s the most likely “equivalent” at br4 
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The level of the anti-aircraft vehicle should not be higher than 2
Because air defense is not absolutely necessary
Anti-tank and infantry capabilities are a must
it’s a t-34, it will likely have an extremely (and unrealistically) high turret traverse, it has a flakvierling (which if you don’t know are potent anti infantry abilities) so no way in hell should this be in br2
How quickly do you think he overheats?
How many bullets do you think he has in his magazine?
What do you think the blast radius of his high-explosive machine gun is?
The two most important points
How many suicide infantrymen do you think would volunteer to appear before him?
Do you think a tank machine gun that has been severely punished can be better than the 76 gun?
I’ve experienced the period when the 4-barrel anti-aircraft gun became an anti-personnel gun
During that period, I only saw a bunch of suicide infantrymen who had no IQ and refused to learn and always liked to walk towards the enemy’s guns.
In this environment
Strong firepower = not equal to OP
But the enemy’s intelligence = intellectual disability
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depends, since the AA gun has no overheat while flakpanzer takes 27 rounds before overheating, panzer 2 uses a different gun and overheats quicker but it does so after 15 rounds
20 per gun, and it has 4 guns
do you really think that matters as much when you have 4 guns?
alot considering how dumb the average player is
i am looking at it’s mobility and how reactive it is and if they make it’s turret traverse the same as WT’s wirblewind (60 degrees a second) then it would be a highly responsive threat on the battlefield
also for anti infantry yes the 4 20mms are better than the 76, assuming we are talking about the russian one, has a 7 second reload while the 20s reload in 4 seconds (again assuming we take wirble’s reload) which in this case it’s volley of fire since the 76 is good for getting a massive amount of kills in a single shot but it can also get nothing if it misses
A Wirbelwind T34 hybrid - just when I thought I’ve seen it all wow
The quad AA was nerfed and ever since penetration of cover was more or less removed + the general dmg nerf for the 20mm AA rounds would not even that brocken.
I would argue that the flame tank would be 3x more dangerous to enemy infantry as it can just zip past the enemy and wipe entire squads in an instant before they can pull out thier AT.
i was also going to see if that one actually existed but no…sadly
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But it think you are incorrect.
And translated from the german wikipedia for the “Schwere Panzerjäger-Abteilung 653” with google translate.
Over the course of its existence, the Heavy Panzerjäger Division 653 had several curiosities in its inventory as field conversions or individual items. The only VK 45.01 (P) used in the field was listed by the department as the command tank 003. There were also field conversions with a 2 cm Flak Vierling 38 on a T-34 chassis, a 2 cm Flak Vierling 38 on a Panther chassis and a Bergepanther converted into a command tank with a turret from a Panzerkampfwagen IV (H ).[
god bless 
If he is at level 4 he needs to be able to at least fight Leopard G
But it’s only 20MM, so it can’t even deal with the frontal armor of No. 3
Explosion range is important.
Because you can’t just rely on the rate of fire to kill the enemy hiding behind the cover
Not to mention how many safe terrains with good shooting sights there are to exploit.
Idiots are not ordinary players
I know there are a lot of idiots in this game and they are always poisoning ordinary players under the protection of the official
But you have to consider how much garbage this stuff is to the average person in their right mind
As a player who has been flying airplanes normally for 1 year and has about 2 years of experience in suicide planes, and a logistics saboteur who is good at destroying enemy ground vehicles
I can say responsibly that all current machine gun tanks are garbage
Use the current anti-aircraft machine gun tank as a reference
Even if you can fire 1.5 magazines in 20 seconds
But you can only suppress the (suicide infantry) who launch (frontal charge) in (open terrain)
But there is nothing you can do about those armored units that threaten you and normal people who use bunkers to attack.
In such an inefficient combat mode, your enemies can still use a lot of equipment and tactics to target you.
For skilled pilots and suicide planes
It is not difficult to use machine guns and high-altitude bomb drops to induce anti-aircraft artillery or ensure enemy battle damage in advance.
Machine gun tanks are an excellent source of points in the eyes of aircraft.
Combining the above arguments
This vehicle does not have the main capabilities that high-level equipment should have.
So it shouldn’t be level 4.
why does it need to pen the tanks that are on it’s side? because i thought it was clear as day that this a german vehicle on the side with that big old iron cross and that kugel but i guess not. i also assume you mean the panther G and not leopard G
this is a far point but the only way, as it currently stands, for you to get the most impact out of tank’s HE is to direct impact since it can skip off the ground, or if you do hit anything other than a human body it will cause most of it fragments to void which is what we can see with KT versus IS-2 or T-34-100 versus IS-2 where both cases the vehicle that is considered better is the lower explosive range one since they can more quickly send rounds down range
guerrilas are easily counterable by having good awareness, while nothing can stop a kamikaze plane which is an issue that is entirely different from your concern since nothing can stop that, also all SPAAS (or as you call it “machine gun tanks”) we currently have are thinly armored.
no, sadly the average players is as dumb as i think they are, are there good players? oh 100% but they are a small minority of the playerbase. i’ve learnt my lesson about the average player in my 5 years apart of the community 
same can be said with a decent SPAA player, you also have to get your mind out of thinking of all SPAAs are sluggish thinly armored vehicles because this, ostwind/wirble and skink are absolutely not thinly armored and can be quite responsive especially the t-34 hull. tanks aren’t inherently only good for the grayzone the sluggish ones like king tigers and super pershings are but if you keep mobile you can survive for a while in the infantry zone .
higher altitude doesn’t mean the most accurate while it also makes you more of a target, that is if the SPAA doesn’t spot the aircraft first and wait to hold fire until it commits to an attack run, an SPAA can out range the aircraft as it can start attacking at 2km out as compared to a few hundred meters out for the aircraft though luck and skill play good hand in that engagement. i don’t know why you keep bring up suicide bombers as a “GOTCHA!” when, unless you are spawn camping, nothing is going to stop it
this vehicle is also far FAR too strong for it to be br2, i can compromise on br3 but it should not go down to br2 and actually curb stomp br1
Of course it’s not good if the bomb is too big and slow to reload.
88MM has a good balance between killing range and reload
20mm? That thing is no different from a machine gun
So why not just use high-powered automatic weapons?
Only basic map knowledge is needed to significantly reduce the risk of being attacked by aircraft.
But idiots are not smart enough to do anything other than die in a straight line on the battlefield.
Just increasing the number of idiots doesn’t make them real (ordinary players)
Unfortunately
The best way to describe ordinary people and idiots in this game is native species and invasive alien species.
And officials are always protecting invasive alien species to poison the environment and native species
Bodywork isn’t everything
How much armor does it have on its turret?
I don’t think he can fight against a tier 2 grenade launcher and a 37mm tank gun
Still the same sentence
Cannot fight enemy tier 3 tanks + low blast radius = garbage
So it shouldn’t be level 3 or higher equipment
In the final analysis, airplanes and tanks are just IQ test devices (cockroach house)
Used to test the combat awareness of vehicle driving and the IQ level of the enemy
The suicide planes are just a tactical act.
It is much more important to quickly solve the high-risk targets and then change teams to continue to strengthen the offensive than to waste time flying back and forth and fighting in the air.
in addition
I certainly respect those players who fly normally
The premise is that their benefits can at least slightly make up for the time cost and the death consumption of teammates.teammates.
It takes an average of 3 minutes to fly 2 times
Killing 10 people or 1 high-risk target shouldn’t be that hard, right?
so
How many people have you seen who can effectively intercept aircraft with anti-aircraft guns at a distance of 2 kilometers?
I have only seen interceptions at around 700 meters.
I think this is not much different from the vertical bomb delivery distance of an aircraft.