I think the current system is bad, and (1-2), (3-4), and (5) would be the best brackets, given the current BRs of the weapons.
Most soldiers are going to be riflemen/use rifles. Balancing around this makes the most sense. (1-2), (3-4), and (5) keep the bolt actions fighting mostly bolts, the semis fighting mostly semis, and the assault rifles fighting mostly assault rifles.
Not only is this good for balance it also makes more sense historically. BR(1-2) would be mostly early war, where bolts were the most prevalent, and BR(3-4) better represents late war, where semis became more widely adopted. BR(5) is reserved for assault rifles and paper tanks etc. Stuff that functionally was never deployed on mass but fun to play around with, nonetheless.
I think fixed BRs work a lot better than the current system of BR 3 being randomly matched because it prevents the urge for players getting up-tiered from leaving. The current BR 3 is at a major disadvantage from 5, so matching into 5 often just results in BR 3 leaving until they find a BR 2 match to steamroll. This is not healthy for the game. Also, It makes BR 1-2 players’ lives hell as BR 3 has a pretty massive advantage over 1-2 in that they have Semis and Armor BR 1-2 for the most part can not pen.
Overall, (1-2), (3-4), and (5) allow for more historically accurate battles than (1-2-3) and (3-4-5) and are more balanced based on how the weapons are currently rated. It also removed the incentive for players to leave up-tiered matches.
I understand everyone is going to have a different position, but why do so many treat them as worthless. I don’t have any issue fighting or being in battles with other weapons. Every weapon has its place. Bolts were the backbone of every country, obviously not America but that goes without saying
Now before everyone jumps on me, yes of coarse I get it. Weapons like M2 carbines and many others out class bolts in various ways. But that’s the point of every weapon having its role and place
Brother, you were the one crying that a VG-2 in Moscow would break immersion, but 90% of players in BR 4-5 running around with only FG42 and STGs is not immersion breaking?
Not only are BR V ARs barely used in the actual war, there is a reason that at that tier, they are about the only thing used, because they are a huge advantage. If they were not gamechangingly better, you would not see BR V running almost exclusively those weapons.
Also, what does this even mean? “I understand everyone is going to have a different position, but why do so are worthless.”
My issue is that 4 brackets split up the small player base even more, and this does not solve the problem of people just leaving when up-tiered and leaving until they are down-tiered. Also, major weapon effectiveness devices are between bolts semis and assault rifles. 4 is just not very competitive with 5. and 2 is just not very competitive with 3. I think fixed brackets are just a better solution.
Us tier 1’s that are just starting the game are already screwed enough. The game that made me come here, our highest rank guy had a T-28, the first tank the Germans pulled was a Tiger E, and almost all their guys where equipped with FG42s. Probably one of the biggest parts of the playerbase being so small is that new players, myself included, just get seal clubbed by older players with all the equipment. Then because we aren’t running Meta or tier V kit, we’re seen as useless causing the vets on our team to leave.
SOMETHING has to be done about BR, I wouldn’t even care if I was facing tier 3, but getting clubbed by tier V people constantly is turning people away.
That’s a valid concern. I’d hope that with as much overlap as each rank has it would solve the problem, but you’d need to run some serious numbers to actually check.
That could easily be solved by not allowing any single faction to start a new game within 5 minutes of a previous game starting. You want to quit immediately? Cool, but now you can’t play Germany for another 4 minutes. This is basically how Warthunder solves the problem, and it works well
I have seen a lot of people suggesting this, and I thought the same for a while. It’s not the worst certainly better then what exists currently, but I wonder why you think (3) (4-5) is better than (3-4) (5). It feels that balance wise 3-4 are much closer in that they are both semis than 5, which are assault rifles.
I like your idea a lot. I was thinking following your suggestion they could add a 6th BR.
So it would be like 1-2 3-4 5-6. BR 5 is going to get very cluttered, this would allow them to add more to the late war stuff without making BR 5 more oppressive to BR4. Germanys BR 5 is already super cluttered.
I’m really hoping the devs consider doing something along these lines because the jump between 2-3 and 4-5 is huge for most armies in the game.
It would help new players get into the game and it would help the balance massively.
There is no doubt that the current BR span is too large，especially in BR1-4.
Anyway, I’m not supposed to ±2BR.
How I wish officials would realize that the current BR match is driving away new players.
For new players, they need time and environment to perfect their queue. Instead of buying a premium package and running to BR5.
I’ve been pondering this issue as well, and its got me stumped.
The whole BR approach is stupid to begin with, and I’m struggling to come up with sensible options as well.
The issue, even with a 1-2, 3-4 and a separate 5 split, is that conceptually it was meant to alleviate the burden of levelling your troops and trying to build out your tech tree vs older players who have maxed out their armies for each given range. I actually prefer the 1 by itself, 2-3, and 4-5 split IF a +/- BR system is required for #$%%^ knows what since the gameplay and associated vehicle balancing are different from WT and certainly were previously not dependend on some of the design failures of WT.
The problem is reduced and only partially alleviated, as I’ll explain, but more importantly it relegates some 30% of the current Enlisted content into the rubbish bin - because “meta”
This includes all the premium shit as well since you can’t modify the weapons in those squads. So the most likely solution here will be a buff to all premium weapons to make them the upper band of whatever BR split we end up with - this is why most of the funky premium shit is in the current upper band.
To clarify the above statement, irrespective of splits at some point a player will “finish off” a certain Tier/BR whatever the @%%^ it is this week. From that point onwards they will optimise their squads for the higher of the two bands. So effectively anything in BR I will be completely transitory, and if BR II is grouped with it then BR II gear becomes the meta. Same for every other bracket.
This problem manifested itself significantly in WT, so in order to get ppl to use 65-70% of now uselelss content they invented SQN battles that start at specified low BRs and move up across the season.
This could be implemented in Enlisted I guess but it would lead to even more departure down the WT.20 the Infantry Strikes Back edition. Which if I read the tea leaves correctly is where we are heading with this emerging shit show.
I do agree that it’s funny when you see 90% of the enemy wielding the rare FG 42s, personally the Kar is 90% of my squads and I sprinkle in other rifles. But I can say at least the FG 42 fits into the period of BR 4-5….except for Stalingrad but that’s on the devs to fix that
I can’t stop some other players from using 90% FG 42s and M2 carbines, but hey at least I primarily use Garands and Kars
I just prefer that at the very least weapons appear in their appropriate periods. The Mosin and Kar was used from the very beginning to end, so that’s how it should be
Obviously I am not opposed to assault rifles. I simply just mean that assault rifles have their role just as bolt actions and machine guns. For example, my Berlin composition has mostly bolts because Volkssturm
