Nein nein nein nein my wunderbar Wunderwaffe can’t kill Things in one shot. German win rate is only 90% because of that but should be 100%
do you have something else than, muh “nazis” and “wehraboos” to add to this convo?
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The BA-11 has proven to be more difficult to kill than any other vehicle in the game, using any weapon capable of destroying tanks:
Bombs (often only taking out half of the crew due to spacing)
Anti-tank rifles (generally multiple shots per crewmate with a 3.5 second reload while the russians get a “as fast as you can click” 5-round semi-automatic)
37mm cannon (while the 45mm outperforms it in every way, including reload, the 37 is actually somewhat usable against BT-7s, but not against BA-11s, as it seems about as effective as the anti-tank rifle)
20mm cannon (probably the most effective weapon, even though it does not fragment and basically acts like the anti-tank rifle as well, it has the highest rate of fire among them, using it like a semi-automatic allows you to kill BA-11s in one magazine about 50% of the time)
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I always die in one shot using the ba-11 but i may just be unlucky
if you die in one hit, that would be because of explosive packs. Those are the only things powerfull and accurate enough to one-hit any stationary tanks. Fast movers are pretty much impossible for them to hit. Those can be carried by any soldier though, so it’s kinda sad that they are the most effective at taking out other tanks
And when you research panzer-2, you will dominate. That thing has a 20mm that can shred my ba-11 and brokenly overpowered armor. It has better survivability than king tiger from battle of berlin playtest lol
I think you have never played the Pz2 then. It has some weird angles that can lead to bounces, sure, but if you hit the flat armor parts it can actually die in 2 hits and you can reload faster than a pz2 user can respawn if you shoot the gunner first.
The 20mm does not consistently kill BA-11s in one clip, you actually have to single tap the autocannon so it becomes a semi-automatic to properly wack-a-mole the BA-11 crew.
But I still find it better than the panzer-3b. Also I forgot to write that the reason why ba-11 is hard to kill might be because tanks use the same damage models as in warthunder. That means we have so called “overpenetrating shells”. That system works when a certain vehicle has so weak armor that AT shells might just go through the vehicle without exploding. Armored cars like Ba-11 suffer against large caliber HE shells (75mm+). I think when they add panzer-4, it will be a good ba-11 killer and panzer-3L would be a good match for t-34’s that will be introduced later on
but then the Pz3B and E suffer with their 37mm guns. The fact that the BA-11 needs a later generation tank (mind you, the panzer 4 would only have it’s A, maaaybe B or C variant at the time of the Pz4E) to be balanced should be enough to tell you it isnt balanced in the current meta.
Sure, the pz2 is better against, tanks, but when given a proper HE shell, the pz3 should be better against infantry and should be slightly more survivable with the 2 extra crew
I don’t see how the pz3 will ever be better against infantry. The 37mm guns were never really used with HE capability in mind (i cant even find info about the German 37mm HE round and i wouldn’t be surprised if a lot weren’t even issued an HE round). Unless the devs give the 37 mm an HE round on par with a 75mm gun i dont see how it could be more effective than an autocannon
most tanks actually went in with more HE rounds than with AP rounds. They were ment to support infantry first, fight tanks later (not that they would not attack tanks, their priority was simply infantry support). The 37mm HE round would still have similar power to a small grenade, definitely capable of oneshotting 2-3 closely packed soldiers. Furthermore, the pz3 comes with 2 (3 if they made the hull MG work) MGs rather than 1, so it fires twice as many bullets towards infantry.
I know that most tanks, like the Sherman for example, had more HE than AP. The early war Panzer 3 was not a standard, mid to late war tank, the early war german tank strategy was for the Panzer 3 to be a dedicated Anti-Vehicle tank, relying on its machine guns to fight infantry, while the main infantry support vehicles were the panzer IV and the short barreled StuG and StuH III.
" It was intended as the main tank of the German Panzer divisions, capable of engaging and destroying opposing tank forces, and was to be paired with the Panzer IV, which was to fulfill the second use: dealing with anti-tank guns and infantry strong points, such as machine-gun nests, firing high-explosive shells at such soft targets. Such supportive tanks designed to operate with friendly infantry against the enemy generally were heavier and carried more armour.
The direct infantry-support role was to be provided by the turret-less Sturmgeschütz assault gun, which mounted a short-barrelled gun on a Panzer III chassis."
Source: Panzer III - Wikipedia
The wiki got it from this source: Tucker-Jones, Anthony (2017). Panzer III: Hitler’s Beast of Burden . Pen and Sword.
I have heard of some people speaking about a 37mm HE round for the Germans, but when you look up the 3.7cm kwk you cant even find info on the HE round. In war thunder i don’t even think it has an HE round (I could be wrong as i haven’t played low tier Germany in a while i just checked wt wiki for this).
Edit: Someone has shown me a primary source document about kwk 37mm HE rounds, its got a pretty weak explosive but it was used.
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it has 2 diffrent HE shells, one with low filler (the one we got now) and one with like same filler as the 45mm HE round.
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Hopefully we do get one with similar performance to the 45mm HE round, Ive been using the BA-11 alot this weekend and it feels pretty good.
Ptrd was used more than ptrs in Moscow. They could completely remove ptrs and re-introduce it in stalingrad
The germans do have the granatbuchse, which is basically a panzerbuchse but it fires an oversized blank round to propell HEAT grenades instead of a tiny 8mm black tip round.
I think the PTRD and PzB38 should be the starter AT rifles, and the G.B and PTRS the successors
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it is a mine opinion or after the update the BA is ever more difficult to kill ?
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No, they are definitely easier to kill than they were before, for one if you have an MG or any other automatic weapon, you can pop the tires and force the crew to either hop out and repair or fight until they get an explosion pack they cant dodge. That is something that only the BA-11 has to worry about now.
Its still tougher than every other tank from the front, but when i play it i find more people are figuring out how to kill me in 2-4 shots, even from the front.
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did they disable one of the MGs? My tanks only have one now