Older forum users who know me are aware: Moscow used to be my favourite campaign, then I got annoyed with it and stopped playing it completely, due to the huge imbalance the devs created equipment wise, that resulted in one faction being simply deserted.
Some weeks ago however, players started saying it wasn’t so bad, that axis had a fighting chance again. I just didn’t believe it and kept ignoring the campaign. How could those players be right? since the berretta 20 ammo vs ppsh fiasco, it only kept going downhill. I had better things to do, I thought.
The battle pass dailies brought me back to it recently however.
And I noticed those players were not completely wrong. Moscow indeed had changed. I didn’t know how at first, but playing it a bit again I could compare my “before” experience with “now”. I came to this observation:
Axis equipment got buffed by the devs.
The Kiraly. This end level axis smg used to be extremely fun to play, but very unwieldy for a smg. it’s horizontal and vertical recoil made it a poor choice for anything other than cqb.
NOT ANYMORE. It received a shadow buff (I asked other Moscow vets and they confirmed): it’s recoil is diminished in a way that I can say this beautiful piece is now easily amongst the top 3 best smgs of the game (assault rifles not included), up here with ppsh41 and drum tommy gun. a squad of soldiers using that is frankly terrifying.
The pzII… ! I got happily surprised about it, while playing Soviets. The pzII used to be nothing more than food for other tanks, it was good for infantry support, but nothing much more.
NOT ANYMORE! Shadow buff again: the pzII now has better penetration values. It can easily shred the t26 (already could, but meh) and the first t28 (I was surprised with the t28) it’s armour now bounce a bit better also. I see that as a positive thing for newer players.
The new pz3J long barrel. I’m not sure about warthunder specs, but in Enlisted, this vehicle benefits from almost the same post penetration damage as the pz4 in Moscow. The shrapnel it does is just crazy… and all it shoots is… apc??? I wonder if the devs gave it a lil boost to be competitive… But as much as I find the matchup of the pz3j vs t34 ridiculous, I gotta say this new pz3j CAN hold it’s own vs other tanks, really easily too.
So there we have it. The devs boosted some stuff for axis faction in Moscow, certainly for a way to balance it better and bring back players to it. While it is indeed working, I find some buffs are bordering fantasy, like the insane shrapnel the new pz3j causes (seriously it does almost as much as the t34). I would have preferred some oddities like a marder, or a stug… But at least the campaign is now worth enjoying, for both factions.
To old Moscow players, have you found anything else that got modified without any dev patch mentioning it? Kinda curious.
war thunder has it at BR 2.7 (can see 1.7-3.7 though 3.7 is the most common)
it’s gun is the same as the puma’s so it’s pen is 106mm in war thunder though enlisted has it slightly less since it has old war thunder’s value.
everything else about the 3j1 is the same as a level 150 aced crew in war thunder.
also the t-34 1940’s BR in war thunder is 3.3 so it can see 2.3, the short 50mm panzer 3j’s BR, to 4.3
all war thunder’s APHE shells have insane shrapnel, even the 29 grams of panther’s APHE will 1 shot the t-34-85 in the UFP which doesn’t happen in enlisted iirc
Yes is stealth buffed the recoil is completely disappeared
Yes and no before the Pz2 can already kill t26 and a t28 from the side if the dev stealth buffed him it was in penetration value
The long barrel give him better penetration but keep be insufficient for do a critical hit at a t34, but you can deal easily with the rest of soviet tank
Too much stealth buff to the axis faction for compesate the lack of player, this is not the way to solve the problem only let him more visible
Interesting. I went looking at WT wiki, and I’m glad the pz3j1 comes with the PzGr 39 shells… Has less velocity, but at such close distance it’s clearly the best choice
Perhaps the devs didn’t tweak the pz3j after all.
They did make the pz2 dangerous however. That one clearly changed in performances (good for newcomers)
I can confirm it can now shred t28 from the front Devs buffed pen vales a bit I recon.
Yes… I would have rather had a more sensible lineup since the very beginning, without the need for buff and tweaks. Simply adding things which are different, enteresting, odd.
… I really wanted a Marder, even if it would have suffered terribly from infantry, it would have been unique to the campaign… Or that 88 aa gun truck, that again would be paper thin and vunlerable to anything but eat tanks for breakfast.
Moscow is unbalanced only to noobs that don’t understand how to use their equipment to their advantage, an Soviet pilot who try to compete with a German one there is an idiot as the German tanker trying to compete with Soviet ones. That said, I was one shot by a Pz4E sone days ago while on my T-34, don’t know where he shoot but he hit the G spot.
Another mistake would be a Soviet assaulter trying to go against Germans on open fields, medium distances the PPSh don’t shine as much (is doable, I do all tbe time, but any half skilled German assaulter has the advantage there).
In general, I had plenty matches against low level people but lost because I was only one doing the objective while the team was doing god knows what somewhere else on the map like in those matches:
A low level but working together and more average than the enemy can easily get over a high level player on tbe other side. Lesson of today, stop crying and get good, get some friends and try your luck getting where the Wehrmacht had it’s large offensive capabilities destroyed for the rest of the war.
Oh, but it was buffed
At release it had more vert. and horizontal recoil. They reduced those values, which not only makes the Kiraly the best smg axis has in Moscow, but the best axis smg of all campaigns included (assault rifles not included).
pretty much all tanks in this game come with their default, stock, shells with the exception being the the stuart rhino and the jumbo rhino as far as i’m aware
forgot about the 4E, there is also the 3N in stalingrad with HEAT rounds, though it’s a bit hard to know with the BT-7a(F-32) since both AT rounds are APHEBC
Only way of dealing with t-34 and t-50 from the front is turret cheek shoot. It’s easier to do to t-34 than t50 since t-50 has some overlaping armor on mantlet that causes inconsistant dmg and also u are bearly able to pen anyway. Mostly it ends up with bounces but when it goes thorough it’s basicly 1-shot. Tho soviet tanks also mostly have u on 1 shot and have no problem with pening u whatsoever so usually u are on disadvantage and also aiming to the turret cheek takes longer than shooting to the tank wherever. (I’m talking bout using pz.IVE and F1)
Devs buffed pen vales a bit I recon.
