Asymmetrical balance or mirror gameplay? (poll)

Basically like adding mirror gameplay, which players don’t want

My asymmetrical gameplay?

I do
But PPK was not made to copy German SMG’s like PPD was made to copy the Suomi

PPK was a cheap, simple, classic SMG

PPK has worse RoF than the MP-40 so it’s not a direct reskin

But the 2 most important things are:

  1. PPK is worse than the PPD so it doesn’t have a huge impact on gameplay

  2. PPK will be forgotten after the OBT release. This gun was probably the only slow firing SMG Soviet union had and we won’t see similar things in the OBT

No, I am talking about adding the Suomi SMG with the drum magazine. I am not talking about overhauling the entire game and mirroring the sides.

And how is adding an axis PPD not mirroring the sides???

I also want the suomi but ONLY as a very rare collectible so it doesn’t ruin the gameplay

Adding the Suomi SMG does not mirror the sides completely, as it is but a single minor change in and of itself. You will observe that several other aspects of the game would remain asymmetrical, for example in terms of vehicles.

And the Suomi that I suggested is not better than MP-40 or the PPD Drum. Everything else you pointed applies the same to the Suomi. It will replace the MP-41, so that is out too.

Smh you really gonna make me do this?

And we both know what happened to BFV

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Maybe it was me because I used to have a different approach to this game 4 months ago

I don’t mind.

But replacing the MP-41 is ideal because I don’t see any more ways to nerf it so that it stands out as a premium weapon while having minimum impact on the F2P players. Soviet mains will complain even if it was just a MP-40 re-skin. That is just how fixated they are on the idea of making the MP-41 irrelevant in the game.

because CBT is almost over, replacing the MP-41 is impossible

Maybe add Suomi as a reward for closed alpha testing?

That way you can get your Suomi but not ruin the game asymmetry

And everyone wins

completely ignores the fact that I play America too and that I just dislike Soviets :clown_face:

I want Suomi so that the Germans will no longer have a direct upgrade from their best non-premium weapon, and instead have a weapon that is actually unique for them, instead of just Machine Pistol version 53. As that is how many “different” MPs it feels like we have now.

That would be 11/10.

I have no need for the Suomi if the PPDs have their recoil increased a bit or if the German SMGs get their damage increased by 1-1.5(the unbalance is way too much at this point. Even players on the Russian forums say this). The Suomi is a good counter to the PPDs in the current balance setup. But I do agree that having this weapon widely accessible ruins uniqueness.
Which is why I suggested it as a replacement for MP-41. The German premium SMG has been controversial since it’s inception. The Suomi will be one which has performance known by everyone and has no surprises and gives no advantage to a player without good trigger finger. This still adds way too many said weapon to the matches.
All in all, Suomi equipped squads for the alpha testers is a brilliant idea.

So we have a deal

I’m calling @JagdEnte

For the Suomi, yes. General SMG balance, no.

I will never be able to wrap my head around the PPDs firing the way they do while having little to no recoil. Either increase recoil or buff MP dmg. I prefer the former but what the hell.

For the SMG balance, I will leave other players to discuss it

Can we agree to disagree and call it a day

My plan for weapon balance has always remained the same. Wait for OBT. There is far too few competent players now to know how these weapons perform in full fledged matches. Not just SMGs but every weapon and it’s counterpart in the game. Devs, as expected, hasn’t been listening and proceeded to nerf and buff taking only the win rate into consideration. The lack of players on a particular faction makes this even worse.

So how does anyone else get the Suomi SMG?

tbh I don’t see a damage increase for MPs that already do great damage doing anything other than making them a bit overpowered. They do wonderful damage on torso shots and their recoil carries them into headshots if you aim at centermass.
I wouldn’t do anything with them except make the MP28 in Moscow the MP28 stendo from Normandy. MP38 and 40 are a-okay for me.

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Why though?