An ideal way to add Finnish tech tree in game

During WW2, Finland fought against Soviet during the Winter War(1939-1940), Continuation War(1941-1944) , and fought Germany during the Lapland War(1944).Which means it could be added as a independent faction instead of being a German sub faction.

Since most of Finnish weapons and vehicles are already discussed, I will explain how would Finnish faction work in the game. This is my first time to write a such huge topic like this, so the quality might be low. Thank you for your understanding.

Start with their tech tree, even though Finland have good Br5 infantry weapons such as KP31 , AVS-36, and Fedorov Avtomat, they can only join battles between Br1 to Br4 because they don’t have any Br5 vehicles. In this case, German and Soviet Br4 would be more enjoyable to play.

Pistols

Ruby pistol

FN 1910

Beretta M1935

Lahti L-35
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Browning Hi-Power

Br1

Default weapon: M/27 RV cavalry carbine
Carbine version of the m/27 rifle, with 520mm barrel.

Rifleman: M/27 rifle
Finnish Army’s main battle rifle during the Winter War, with 685mm barrel.
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Medic: Suomi KP-31(20)





Engineer: M/28-30
An upgraded version of the M/28 in game, it has a different front sight and rear sight.



Sniper: M/27 PH
Sniper version of the M/27 rifle, with 3X scope.








Sniper: M/33
Sniper version of the M/28-30 rifle, with Zeiss G.Z. 4X scope, the reticle is similar to the ZF 39 scope.




AT gunner: Lahti L-39
A semiauto 20mm anti tank rifle, it could penetrate 30mm from 100m.
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Mortarman: 50 Krh/39
Captured RM-39 mortar, the barrel is shorter(77.5cm)than the RM-38(78cm) and it weights 14kg.
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Tanker: Vickers Mk.E
Vickers Mk.E | War Thunder Wiki

Tanker: BT-5
Some of the captured BT-5 were modified with additional armor(track).
BT-5 | War Thunder Wiki
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Tanker: T-26C
Finnish naming system for captured T-26(1938), some of them have 30mm additional armor all around the tank.
T-26C Viku - Command tank with bolted on extra armor - Ground - War Thunder — official forum



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Attacker pilot: Do 22KI (4x50kg)
Dornier Do 22Kl in Finnish Service - Aircraft - War Thunder — official forum



Fighter pilot: I-15bis (2x50kg)
I-15bis | War Thunder Wiki
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Br2

Radio operator: M/39
This variant has a semi-pistol grip, it was widely used during the Continuation War.

As for their radio, they will use the P-12-12u radio-telephone which was made by Finnish radio maker HELVAR in 1941.
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Radio operator: Lahti L-36
An experimental gas operated semi-automatic rifle, reload with 5 round stripper clips from the bottom(similar to the RSC 1917).
Finnish semi-automatic rifle - L-36
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Guerrilla: Suomi KP/31 Tanker(40 round drum)
This type of Soumi was mounted on their armored vehicles, the shroud for the tank version could be quickly removed from the tank and fitted with a standard barrel shroud which is putted in the vehicle. The barrel length is still as same as a normal Suomi, so the damage is higher(6.6) than the PPSh-41 “Obrez”(5.6). But with higher vertical recoil(40-50) could make it a Br 2 weapon.


With standard shroud and an improvised stock
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The 40 round magazine(left)for the this gun is very similar to the 71 round magazine.


Rifleman II: Winchester 1895
Thousands were used by both sides during Finnish Civil War, and was limited issued in Winter War.
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Sniper II: M/39 PH
This rifle use the same 3X scope as the M/27 PH, it has cheek rest being added to left side of buttstock, which is locked from the right with 2 wooden pegs.




Assaulter II: Suomi KP-26
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AT gunner II: Panssarinyrkki F1
Panzerfaust Klein used by Finnish troops, it could penetrate 140mm which is the only advantage.
Here are the reasons that I put it in Br2.

  1. The effect range is only 30m, if the target is over 30m, it’s harder to kill the crew members(hit marker only).

  2. Smaller warhead diameter(100mm) compare to the Panzerfaust 60&100(149mm).

  3. Less warhead explosives(400g)compare to the Panzerfaust 60&100(800g).

  4. The sight is very simple, only better than the Type 5 Recoilless Rifle.

With these disadvantages, unless you shoot at close range, mostly you could only injured the crew members or damaged the ammo rack.


Machine Gunner: Lahti-Saloranta M/26
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Driver: Ford V/8 M40
Most common Finnish military truck, it was called the ‘‘Hävittäjä-Ford’’, which means “Destroyer-Ford”.
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Tanker II: T-28 &T-28E


Tanker II: T-50
Some of the T-50 have additional armor and was captured by Finland.
T-50 (Sweden) | War Thunder Wiki

Attacker pilot II: Do 17 Z-2(2x250 kg)
Do 17 Z-2 | War Thunder Wiki
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Fighter pilot II: VL Myrsky II(2x100kg)
VL Myrsky II | War Thunder Wiki
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Br3(copy-paste warning)

Rifleman III: SVT-38
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Flametrooper: ROKS-2
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Machine gunner II: Kg m/21
Swedish light machine guns based on the BAR, Finland bought 130 Kg m/21s from Sweden in 1940.

Sniper III: Sniper SVT-38
The sniper version of SVT-38 was never adopted. However, it has the same rails as the SVT-40, since Finland did captured the sniper SVT-40. They could just mount the scope on their SVT-38s.

Assaulter III:SIG 1920

Assaulter III: Suomi KP-31(40 round drum)
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Assaulter III: Suomi KP-44(50 round coffin )

AT gunner II: Panssarinyrkki F2
Panzerfaust 30 used by Finnish troops, it has same penetration as the Panzerfaust 60, but with simplified sight(same as Panzerfaust Klein ) and shorter effective range(30 m).
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Tanker II:BT-42
BT-42 | War Thunder Wiki

Tanker II: StuG III G
The Finns replaced the MG 34 with DT-29.
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Tanker II: T-34 (1942)
T-34 (1942) | War Thunder Wiki
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Tanker II : Pz.IV J
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Attacker pilot II: IL-4(3x250 kg)
IL-4 | War Thunder Wiki

Fighter pilot II: VL Pyörremyrsky (4x100 kg)
VL Pyörremyrsky | War Thunder Wiki

Br4(copy-paste warning)

Radio operator II: SVT-40

Sniper III: Sniper SVT-40
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Machine gunner III: L41 Sampo
An experimental belt fed magazine designed by Almo Lahti. It could fire in full auto(1000rpm)and auto slow(600rpm).



Assaulter IV: Suomi KP-31(50 round coffin)

Assaulter IV: Suomi KP-44(71 round drum)

Flametrooper II: Liekinheitin M/40
Finland ordered 176 Lanciafiamme Mod.35s from Italy, only 28 arrived during Winter War.
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AT gunner II: 88 rakh/B 54 “Panssarikauhu”
The later version of the RPzB 43, fitted with an official blast shield.
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Tanker III: T-34-85
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Tanker III:ISU-152
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Attacker pilot III: Ju 88 A-4(2x500kg)
Ju 88 A-4 (Sweden) | War Thunder Wiki
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Fighter pilot III: Bf 109 G-2(1x250kg)
The Bf 109 G-2 has better turn time and faster speed than the G-6 in the game.
Bf 109 G-2 (Sweden) | War Thunder Wiki
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Premium squads

Br1: Suomi KP-31 Bipod
A commercial Suomi during the 1930s, it has a foregrip and bipod, fed with early pattern 20 round box magazine.

Br1: OT-26
A Flame-throwing tank based on the twin-turreted T-26 mod. 1931, it’s turret could only traverse 270 degrees.2 of them were captured during the Winter War.


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Br2: M/39-43
An M/39 with Ajack 4 x 38 scopes which proved to be the best sniper rifle of Finnish army during the war.




Br2: L-62 ANTI II
L-62 ANTI II | War Thunder Wiki

Br2: He 115 A-2(1x500kg)
Heinkel He 115 in Finnish Service - Aircraft - War Thunder — official forum

Br2: IZ (Izhorsk improvised armored vehicle)
An improvised armored truck based on the ZIS-5 truck, armed with one 45 mm M1937 (53-K) gun and 1 DP or DT machinegun in the hull. Some of them were captured by Finnish troops.
IZ (Izhorsk improvised armoured vehicle) - Ground - War Thunder — official forum
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Br3: Captured PPSh-41(early)
The early pattern of the PPSh-41 has different rear sight. During the war, both the drum magazine and box magazine were captured.



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Br3: M/26-32

Br3: KV-1E
KV-1E | War Thunder Wiki
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Br4: Suomi KP/-31(40 round drum) with flamethrower
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Br4:AVT-40(10)
In summer of 1944, few hundred of AVT-40 rifles were captured. Unfortunately, I couldn’t found any pictured of a Finnish soldier with this rifle. However, one of them is displayed(second from the top) in the Military Museum of Finland.

Br4: KV-1 m1942
KV-1 m1942 (Sweden) | War Thunder Wiki

Br4: Bf 109 G-6 Erla(2 × Wfr.Gr.21 rockets + 250kg bomb)
Equipped with new three-piece Erla Haube glazing, which provided better visibility.
Bf 109 G-6 Erla (Sweden) | War Thunder Wiki

Despite being a new faction, they won’t get their own battle pass due to lack of weapons, instead, they will receive their unique event weapons in the future. I will introduce them in the comments below. Hope you guys enjoy the topic.

Source

https://www.youtube.com/@ForgottenWeapons
https://www.jaegerplatoon.net/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVuV68E0n5I&t=131s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_F6xBeYlmk&t=1103s
Диск ранний разработанный Лахти на 40 патронов. sissilipas Suomi 40-rd drum - энциклопедия МЕМО-РАНДУМ.НЕТ
Hävittäjä-Ford V8 - onko tässä Suomen sotahistorian merkittävin auto?
Dragoon Militaria | WW2 Finnish army radio-telephone P-12-12u - 1941
ЭКРАНИРОВКА Т-26 . Т-26. Тяжёлая судьба лёгкого танка

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idk what u mean, just gotta grind and finish the tech tree, its not hard :smirk:

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Here’s my pick for their event weapons & vehicles.

Weapons

Vetterli Model 1869/71(Br1)
This Swiss rifle were limited used during the Finnish Civil War. After the war, most of them were used as hunting rifle. It fires 11 rounds of 10.4×38mm Swiss Rimfire.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNoI6TWotHY

L-35 Lahti Target Pistol(Br1)
This rare pistol equipped with an 11.5 inch barrel, and has a bipod under the stock.




Silenced M/39-43(Br2)
During WW2, tens of thousands of the Soviet Bramit suppressors were issued to Army and NKVD Scout groups, snipers and partisans. Some of the suppressors were captured by Finnish troops. And they made a copy version to fit the M/39 rifle. At first I thought it’s from the post-war era, until I saw this Reddit post tells that it was made near the end of the Continuation War.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MosinNagant/comments/2w8dt1/one_of_the_holy_grails_of_mosinnagant_collecting/

Lahti L-39/44(Br2)
The full auto version of the L-39, usually used as anti air weapons. The rate of fire is 275-325 rounds per minute. We could use the top of the antiaircraft-mount as a improvised monopod. In the game, you have to lay down to use this weapon, it would an fun weapon to play, just like how you use an AA gun in BF1.
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L34 Sampo(Br3)
A lighter machine gun that was planned to replace the Lahti-Saloranta M/26, the 20 magazine’s shape is pretty similar to the M/26 but narrower. The rate of fire is 800 rounds per minute.
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L34’s magazine well


M/26’s magazine well

SVT-38 (20) (Br4)
A captured SVT-38 fed with M/26 machine gun’s 20 round magazine.
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Suomi KP-31 Korsu(71 round drum)
Bunker version of the KP-31, can fire through other narrow vision of bunker.
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Vehicles

Br1: T-26B with hull machine gun
Finnish naming system for captured T-26(1933) and OT-130, the one with hull machine gun is based on the OT-130 flame tank, and the turret was on the other side of hull.

Br2: T-20 Komsomolets
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Br3: StuG III G “Additional Armored” camouflage

Br3: Bf 109 G-6(2 × Wfr.Gr.21 rockets + Flam C 250 incendiary bomb)
Bf 109 G-6 (Sweden) | War Thunder Wiki

Br4: Ju 88 A-4 (2xFlam C 500 incendiary bomb)

Br4: T-34-85 ‘‘Boreal Forest’’ camouflage
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Source

First Soviet Russian Suppressor: The Bramit Device - Firearms News
https://liberatorshop.cz/finska-odstrelovaci-puska-mosin-m-39-43-vrchol-finskeho-zbrojniho-inzenyrstvi-druhe-svetove-valky/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GysYyyl2RW8&t=220s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Az-99vSK5k&t=539s
Asisbiz Messerschmitt Bf 109G6 FAF 1.HLeLv34 MT423 Hemmo Leino Stkz RX+JJ WNr 412122 Finland 1944 01
Asisbiz Junkers Ju 88A4 FAF LeLv44-JK266 Onttola Finland 1944-01
T-34/85 - Finnish Forces | Gallery
W finlandii dzisiaj padalo.... - strona 5 - Pojazdy/Artyleria - Forum Odkrywcy
Финский солдат прицеливается из трофейной винтовки СВТ-38 в Йоутсено — военное фото
https://www.reddit.com/r/ww2/comments/w19duy/this_finnish_soldier_has_svt38_extented_mag/?tl=ja#lightbox

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The only thing that can be added to the Germans at the moment

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Honestly, regarding infantry weapons, there wouldn’t be many issues; Finnish manufacturers had several very interesting projects such as a copy of the MG42, the KP44, and the AL-43 and M43 assault rifles, as well some of their own semi-automatics and machine guns. The real issue would be the vehicles, since, as far as I know, the candidates they have only go up to a Battle Rating of around 3 or 4.

You can add the Pyörremyrsky (a plane) and the M42 Patria (a tank) to it

Engineer’s building
Anti tank gun: 45 PstK/32(Br1-3)
Captured M1932 (19-K), the penetration is as same as T-26’s 45mm gun.


Anti tank gun:75 K/40(Br3-4)
At first I thought the Finnish 75k/44 would be a good idea, but it’s penetration is higher than Pak 40(165mm), which is not necessary for Br 3-Br4 battles.

Anti air gun: 20 ITK 40 VKT
Based on the L-39 anti-tank rifle, and fed with 20 round box magazine. But we can replace them with the L-39’s 10 round magazine as a balanced choice.

Heavy machine gun: VKT 12.70 LKk/42
An aircraft machine gun based on the 13.2 mm FN Browning, it fires 800 rounds per minute.
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Machine gun: Maxim M/32-33
A Finnish modification of the M1910 Maxim, fed with metallic ammunition belts and has better rate of fire(850rpm).
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Flametrooper building: Ampulomet
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Source

https://fotosergs.livejournal.com/121410.html
.50 Browning 12,7mm LKk/42 Finnish Licence Build WW2 - Browning Message Board (Full Auto Only) - MachineGunBoards.com Forums

I did mention the Pyörremyrsky, and put at Br3 , and the M42 Patria is a fake tank

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Sorry, i didn’t see it , wait The M/42 is fake? I was scammed then XD