I’ve noticed that the damage of the Sten MK2, Sten MK3 and Austen MK1 is lower than the MP3008 and Lanchester, despite using the same caliber. Is there something specific that I’m not understanding?
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I just think that…
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Damage values are all over the place…
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I feel insulted that the MP 3008 has more damage than the original owner of this weapon.
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balance really, Sten has good fire rate and a decent sized magazine for BR1.
With 6.8 damage (standard for 9x19) it would be a BR2 gun.
Huh, I never noticed, good spot.
Could you walk me through how a 0.2 damage diference warants a BR change…? Aren’t 6.6 and 6.8 both 2 hit kill? Will one 2hk a vitality soldier whilst the other won’t…?
Geniune question, I’m not trying to catch you out or anything.
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I don’t think an SMG with 630 RoF and 0.81 dispersion would be OP in BR1, something like a Beretta or PPD would just be more effective.
It’s definitely effective at long range (3.3 VS 4), but the 0.81 dispersion is so awful that it makes it a bad long range weapon anyway.
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I definetly preffer the MP 40 over the Sten at long ranges, something I’ve tested quite thoroughly during the current event.
So used to playing with SMGs that can reach far (MP 40, ZK-383, Type 100 Early and Late), I never knew how brutishly close you have to be with the Sten to be effective.
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A soldier has a total of 20 health points, 23.5 HP with vitality.
10 normal HP which can be increased to 13.5 HP with vitality and a further 10 more HP in downed state. If the injured soldier doesnt have medkit he will skip downed state and die, same happens if much more damage is dealt to him then 13.5 and the soldier is unlucky since the higher the damage, the higher the chance of skipping downstate and the soldier dying instantly.
Anyway, with 6.6 damage it takes 3 shots to down someone in normal combat ranges and with roughly 50% chance 3 shots or 4 to kill.
with 6.8 damage, it takes 2 shots to downsome up to 10m, then its 3 shots to down, and it almost always takes 4 to kill.
The difference is not too big, just enough really to help keep S1-100 and Mp3008 competitive with their lower fire rate.
edit: forgot to mention that the above applies to soldiers with vitality, while soldiers without vitality get downed after 2 shots regardless of the damage being 6.8 or 6.6
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Huh, interesting.
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Been playing some BR I Allies to level up my mortar squad. I forgot how much of a pellet gun the Sten feels like.
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I hope they love Britain and increase the damage of things like Sten, Austen, etc.
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That’s why we should get the Sten Mk V for BR II. Better dispersion, higher damage, but still only 600 rpm. Basically like the Lanchester but with better recoil and different sights.
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But I will also increase the damage of the Sten, however its bad dispersion will prevent it from entering BR2 and save this historical weapon.
Yeah if the sten could get a damage boost and get moved up to BR2, that would be nice, since atm its very very strong for BR1.
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The main weakness of the Sten is its 0.81dispersion, so even if it takes similar damage to other 9x19mm weapons, I don’t think it can still overcome the Beretta and PPD.(Anyway, this amount of damage doesn’t make much difference, it just helps it be a little more useful at long distances)
However, I would even like to buff its dispersion and move in to BR2 to set it up with the Lee Enfield, Piat and Bren MK, but I’m sure many people wouldn’t like that, and Britain would lose its only SMG in BR1. So I won’t bring it up.
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Dev’s… 
I don’t think there is a lot of sense in many things they do. Similar SMG’s with different damage, as well as machine guns of same weight yet have different weight penalties amongst them. Or the German Solothurn anti tank gun weighing 21 kgs and having to be fired only from the laydown position, while the Japanese Type 97 anti tank gun weights 52kg’s and it can be fired standing up.
I think the Dev’s parents should have warned their Dev children of the negative effects of eating paint chips as children. 
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Id certainly like for that to happen, and its not like a new SMG couldnt be found for BR1 instead. (Though tbf, I dont know which one would could be used.)
Maybe we could add the Sten Mk5 to BR2 instead with the aforementioned upgrades? Just say its due to the more refined processes used to make them later on in the war?
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I’m definitely a fan of the MK5, but I believe the MK2’s damage should be the same as the MP3008, however, this doesn’t make it a BR2, the Beretta M38A with better RoF, much better accuracy (0.81 vs 0.61), better recoil and slightly faster reload time makes up for the smaller magazine.(Also, the M38’s sight is much better, of course we don’t balance weapons based on sight, I just wanted to point out how much better that weapon is in BR1)
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