ZK is pretty good, which isn’t surprising since it’s an SMG what was designed to be a pistol-caliber LMG/Squad automatic weapon.
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I mean it would still technically make it an smg but in a more literal sense but I can’t really say anything bad about the zk
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it is not strange to have the zk as smg we have fg42 as semi-automatic and vg1-5 as smg
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PPSh and PPD, were good enough at relatively close combat ranges, most combat taking place at <400m. The PPS43 wasn’t introduced because the PPSh was unreliable (it could be) but because the Soviets were arming entire Battalions with SMGs and wanted one that was cheaper and faster to produce, and they stopped using the 71 round drum because it was the largest factor in unreliability.
The PPSh is notoriously picky on it’s magazines, more so on Drums. If you want that kind of reliability out of them today, you have to get lucky and find Drums that work well in your gun, or be a gun manufacturer that can fix the fit without ruining the weapon.
I think a drum mag thompson makes sense in Tunisia, since the Brits used them, and I know we’re probably getting one in Normandy but I don’t think we should. We’d abandoned the drums by the time of Operation Overlord.
Not required, no, but giving it 30 round mags as it was most commonly issued with wouldn’t hurt, and might help balance out the PPD/PPSh spam somewhat. I love my PPSh squad, but that bullet hose do be deciding a lot of engagements.
Yeah, it’s an SMG since it’s an automatic weapon chambered in a pistol cartridge, but the designer intended it to fill LMG/SAW roles at average combat distances. It may even have been a good idea, but as the use of SMGs increased, they wanted something lighter and leave the bipod to the MGs.
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They should make it so the zk can be equipped by both assaulters and gunners
I think it just wouldn’t see play in that case, since it’s not as good at MG stuff as the MGs. Put it on an assaulter in a troops squad, have a decent SMG and be able to do LMG stuff sometimes.
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Cant figure civil way to point out how stupid the argument “I got kill with it so its fine”
Which still doesnt change the fact that its shit at cqc due to 20 rounds and regardless is capable to kill something at range doesnt change the fact that its still by far inferior to any ranged weapon.
Well as I stated before I did just fine with soviet knife so why soviets need weapons at all ? If I can kill ppl with soviets knife it definitely is effective then.
Quite irrelevant what germans have as sniper rifle, its not cqc weapon and its not changing the SMG situation to anywhere.
Entirely up to you.
Perhaps if you did read a little bit yourself you would find out relatively quickly that in combat the beretta had almost always the 30 round mag.
Not 20.
Far as I know ppd40 was accurated 200-250 at semi ofc and was rather horrible on full-auto / even at bursting.
PPsh had adequate accuracy depending mostly on manufacturing but even with its crude compensator the shot grouping was significantly better compared to PPd40.
Well its you who brought the IRL to conversation.
We were speaking of the ingame weapons which hardly has anything to do with theyr IRL counterparts.
So leave the irl counterparts off the table and compare the weapons of the game.
Problem solved.
Both of them were accurate enough for aimed semi-auto shots out to 200m or so, IRL.
In game, not only is that not the case, but because SMGs require 2-3 shots per kill up close and more at range, combined with their inaccuracy they’re not terribly effective in medium-long range combat. Can you get kills with the PPSh beyond 100m? Yeah. But not easily, or reliably.
I still agree that they could increase the capacity on the M38 Beretta to 30 (40 wasn’t common and would basically make it just another MP) and the result would be a closer balance. The reality is though that the PPD and PPSh are going to dominate in CQC, and there’s not a lot to be done about that without nerfing those guns into unrecognizable spoofs of themselves, or buffing german SMGs into something they never were and in my opinion shouldn’t be.
The soviet SMGs aren’t wonderweapons. Axis gets a load of pretty good SMGs, arguably a better selection of LMGs, and an assault rifle for snipers in Moscow, In Berlin they get decent SMGs than allies, definitely better MGs, the VG1-5, and FG42s for everyone but snipers and gunners, In normandy they have better SMGs than the allies (higher capacity, lower recoil, not much less damage,) better LMGs, an assault rifle for assaulters, the best tank by far, and still get that FG42 for everyone but gunners and assaulters.
By comparison, Soviets in moscow have the advantage in SMGs, AT rifles, Tanks, and maybe planes, in Berlin they have the better SMGs and better planes but the tanks aren’t too poorly balanced, and in Normandy the allies have, what, a heavy tank that’s only good until panther appears, better planes, and the Carbines which are basically just worse SMGs. There’s some tweaking that could be done to bring this asymmetric balance closer to balanced but other than the FG42 and Panther, it’s not all that bad IMHO.
I’m leaving Tunisia out of this because it’s so poorly balanced right now that I don’t even want to start, and I play both sides of that one.
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well let’s compare them then, what comes out:
the weapon with a high rate of fire and little recoil is the best, and what are?, hoo my god is berettaM38, stg44, thompson and the ppsh41 I did not expect it
and which are the worst ones?
The one with a low rate of fire and little damage what comes out:
look at almost all those of the axis, I did not expect it!
wait but you can upgrade the weapons, hoo mp40 enhanced is like the ppd and more accurate …
this is why I say that they cannot be compared because they are too different from their real counterparts (they are tuned for the game) and by enhancing them they are no longer the same weapon
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I would have chosen LMG with those quite biased stats
And nothing stops tuning them further, so the 30 / 40 mag is completely reasonable request.
I’m not against 30/40 Mag, it’s you who started saying that the berettaM38 sucks compared to the ppsh41, I just told you that it has the different doctrine of use of the smg, the soviet union and europe have opted, the first for weapons with a high rate of fire but so less precise, the second for weapons with a low rate of fire but more precise, and it would have ended there if you had not put in the middle the comparison of weapons, of which I am also against because of the upgrading of the weapons that makes them impossible to compare, practically you did everything and now you come up with “I’m okay with giving more bullets” but at least you read what you write? you have never said that even once you agreed, you have only been able to say that the smg of the axis are shit, and that it is true for many of them mp40 base, included, but at least I would ask you to keep a logical thread during the discussion without changing your mind, or saying certain things first
Depends on the playatyle.
I heard that the Valentine is technically OP but I never saw anyone who was insane enough to buy the squad.
I’d struggle to believe it’s OP. It’s slow because it’s well armored, but not as well armored as the T50 because a lot of it is flat, and being the British 40mm QF only gets Solid AP. It’s so rare to see it that I’d bet reports of it being OP are just people who lost an engagement because they didn’t know where to shoot it or got outplayed.
not to mention that all allied solid AP doesn’t create shrapnel correctly and that would include the 75mm AP
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How can you train your skills against unicorns if there are no unicorns at all though?
Maybe WT but Im starting to think that WT and Enlisted have different models unlike they promoted.
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yep axis smg’s are shit in comparison.
No idea where the fk you get the idea im against the 30/40 mag.
wall of text.
yeah, the models between war thunder and enlisted aren’t the same for sure, can see that with the armor on the T50. Ideally, every tank you might have to fight would be available as a target on the practice range.
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Not just the T50.
Post-pen dmg seems to be drastically nerfed compared to WT(especially ammo racks), the T–28s shrapnel is weaker compared to WT and the Tunisian tanks eat shells like a sponge.
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