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eh… dunno.

feel like people overeacted a bit on this one.

like, the update wasn’t even out.

how can you even be against it.

( which i get for certain things you don’t have to get them and only change them after tragedy )

but i think devs attempted to balance planes in order to give somewhat of differences between the unlocks and reduce the overhall HE spam ( since bombs are somewhat related to that ) and tweak the stuff at the hand precisely with the br changes.

( and would have required pilots to be slighlty more precise and mindful instead of spawn, drop, drive back to refil & repeat )

but, perhaps an unpopular opinion and mine alone.

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Tunisia (and the Pacific) is just a place for people who want to get together and farm on one team or the other.
It is the players who play that way that are the cause of the problem.

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I think it’s a totally reasonable reaction.

We are getting a major change to the game in some weeks / months.

What’s the point in trying to balance the planes when those changes (= br related match making) will likely change the present performance stats of the planes for the worse anyway, since you are much less likely to farm noobs in p47/ ju88 and face players who will shoot you down?

The only thing you are doing is potentially screwing with campaign balance (allied tanks still suck), plus do a bunch of random nerfs.

If you wanna do this, do it properly.

First step: custom loadouts.
Second step: plane chassis BR.
Third step: loadout modifier to chassis BR.

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Erika you missed a lot keo actually said that this change was made for counter plane spam based on dev statistics

Now you know you dont fix the spam simply nerfing what is spammed because you make only people spam something else… after what you nerf the next thing spammed?

Dev in primis let people spam this world an the next one after, the whole game simply suggest you to spam whatever you can

  • squad slots
  • multiple same squad type
  • add the same specialist in every squad for mass use it
  • possibility of cycle 3 veichle squad no stop
  • can use 3 trowable explosive on every soldier
    …

imo is to late for change this now and sure you dont change it nerfing everything can be spammed.

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that’s why it’s a first step.

as they say, god didn’t make the world at once.

( took him 7 days )

i don’t think they incentivize, nor really thought about it.

it just happens that some players abuse the shit out of that.

it’s a double edge argument.

sure, you can complain about devs allowing it.

but… isn’t also the players somewhat responable ?

no wonder why we then get changes like the one that was supposed to take place.

limiting what is being spammed helps to actually reduce it.

which it’s what matters. not to a point of making it useless, or outright unusable, but not to make it abused either.

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Erika, USA can use 4 paratroopers squad after the merge, i already complained about this 1 single soldier spam right? I did it a lot of time…

And is not only this

Currently people can use tanks or plane 24H 7D withaut touch the infantry, you can use only the assaulter squad, you can use only smg and forget the rest, but why use weapon why dont spam 3 granade on every soldier :thinking:

And what dev do for counter the spam? Nerf some plane bomb for reduce cas spam :man_facepalming:

For the sake this is not even a solution is an invite for spam tank and granade ever more, the game itself need change and add rule and restrictions for avoid spam the same shit over and over again

Nerfing everything dont stop the spam… in the end we Nerf even the knife? To OP in cqc?

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that’s a point

but, i’m sure it will eventually get “fixed”.

( hopefully… maybe. and something be done regarding all the spam )

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I knows Keofox acknolwedged it, maybe it the only decent post in the whole tread

Maybe or maybe they decide to keep milk whale let them spamming, only time can answer

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I heavily doubt.
Keo stayted they don’t want to limit things so the only other solution is to nerf spamed things.
And then we enter a nerf spiral @gastanofrizzi is talking about. Because when you nerf A, ppl will spam B.

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solution to spam of planes isnt nerfing planes to the ground. it is to make effective counter available to players.
and to effectively counter planes you need effective AA and allied planes fighting enemy planes.
so solutions are:

  1. buff AA
  2. add second vehicle slot for f2p

i mean it is also stupid to have combined warfare, but then be limited to only land or air vehicle for f2p. when planes are no longer solo in the air, their damage will drop exponentially.

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i was fine with planes having less load tbh.

( outside… the russian ones somehow getting buffed over that )

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Yeah, everything that’s not a BA spam is a problem for people like you. What a completely selfish guy. We should restrict every fkn enjoyable thing in game. What a nonsense. You should rather learn how to counter those things.

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Going forward can we please not change or ‘balance’ core gameplay based of off a few outspoken individuals like ‘quadro’ and his band of bitches.

They DO NOT represent the majority.

We love the inbalance. It is refreshing to be able to use your mind to work around a powerful weapon.

That is the fun of this game.

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Are not even the plane the problem, loadouts change is fine after the merge because with the merge the stuka in moscow dont even fight the t34 anymore so those change are simply innocue, people are pissed for the motive wy they do this this is it

Ps
Adempe cant read what news

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Instead we should nerf every enjoyable thing. You are right.

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Weve had too many fun and efficent weapons (area denial) nerfed (that shouldnt have been) because of these god damned people.

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perhaps they went a bit earlier for that. i agree on that.

i was about to say that :joy:

his reading capabilities are really dropping low.

like, you are litro in pro for majority of spam outside a few that ovviously you recognize them being a problem yet, he doesn’t and calls you out for… asking certain limitation?

also, pretty sure the BA thing has been made up from him. since you hate HA anyway. ( and i assume bas as well )

well, figure as much…

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i see planes as gamble. cause of long rearm and unknown situation on ground you can either score big or score nothing. having big payload is ok for that. they just need to have counters ready (i wouldnt even be against having some fixed AA emplacements added to maps).

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Dude. Why do they do it with Allies and not with Axis then? Because Allies dont smell weird? Because of some hoax created by the Dems?
Or because Allied stuff is better?
Same asked when the Axis side was popular for a while. Because they didnt smell anymore? Because the Reps made a hoax on their own? Or because DF buffed their ticket- and capture- and bomb-rates into oblivion to the point where it took longer for Allies to disadm bombs than for Axis bombs to blow up?

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well, they become a gamble if you use them as such.

perhaps doesn’t cost you much to scan the area and drop a bomb based on your visual and if you get any intel from ally ( which it’s not… 100% of the time needed. a good pilot doesn’t need " enemy coordinates " every single minute )

planes can be powerfull, and should be powerful if used correctly.

granted, we could use and note the " in real life " argument, where bombs were not precise, and mostly done for saturation, but in enlisted kinda works differently.

which, i don’t think planes are op, nor useless.

i do get killed majority of the time by bombs, but it’s a midly inconvenience as… i can just prone and majority of the time, absorb the damage. ( much less my ais, but oh well. it’s called natural selection )

therefore, i never demanded for bomb nerfs ( outside OBT where those used to kill through bunkers and houses… you know, those that were meant to be protected against those ) and never will.

but i ain’t certainly gonna complain against nerfs of bombs loads.

as the helper said, it’s no fun getting nuked on points especially for the average joe. and essentially, make planes more skill based opposed as suicide bombing more convenient. which, yes, we could mention or speak about different approach that could have been taken, but i’d think that was a first step, and eventually would return.

( otherwise prem ain’t gonna sell if they are just straight up similar if not the same to the f2p counter. which, i wouldn’t have liked premium planes being better, but i would have understand it )

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