Like I know the PPD with an SVT muzzlebreak was a real thing but from my knowledge they were basically homemade modifications by Partisans. While standard PPD-40s saw limited use with the Red Army in 1945, I don’t think such Partisan-modified weapons ever saw use by the Red Army. In the same vein, maybe make the Russian Madsen replace the Chauchat? The Soviets retired the Chauchat in 1925 because they ran out of ammo for them. They didn’t even pull them out for the Winter War. The only group that would be using them at all during Barbarossa would be Partisans and even then that’s unlikely because they didn’t have ammo for them and the Russians never had any shortages of DP-28. Also they built like 500 Tokarev SMGs so maybe make them a premium squad at most. Also why is the ZK-383 a Normandy thing? Maybe it would be better used in place of the Beretta 1918 in Barbarossa since the Germans didn’t use any Beretta 1918s until Italy capitulated in September of 1943, at which points the Germans “liberated” a couple.
I agree, just make regular PPD-40 for premium squads and PPSh-41 for free squads. Both guns were equally powerful but PPD was more expensive. No need for partisan PPD’s in Normandy
Well they had the ability to copy French ammo but they didn’t do it because Chauchat was just a terrible weapon and nobody wanted to use it.
Because the Ork gun is cool
off topic but the chauchat wasn’t the worst gun ever made Chauchat: Shooting, History, and Tactics - YouTube
because the PPD-40 standard will most likely be the first unlock SMG, replacing the PPD 34/38
The current PPD 40 DSZ is op imho
That would most likely be the PPS-43 or PPSh-41 with stick mags
That can be said of the DT as well. Why is it even there?
not true at all - lots of people had no problems with it at all - the “bad press” is almost solely from US doughboys in WW1 who preferred the BAR when it came out.
The rest of the world continued to use them up to and beyond WW2 with few problems.
ETA: Apaprently American problems had several contributing factors:
-no manuals in English
-they got 2nd hand weapons from the French that had already had a hard life
-suggestions the French instructors were not particularly skilled at teaching Americans
-heavier than the M1903 rifle
-when rechambered for the 30-06 it was a more powerful round that over-stressed the gun components, which would then break, plus the round often did not extract cleanly due to poorly machined alterations for it
This has been discussed before, they where brought back to servers to arm militias
Well damn then why are they being used by the Red Army in game?
Many people’s militia units were designated as regular army units in 1941, and many subordinate units were absorbed by regular units as well.
you’d really have to look up the history of the 521st IR to see how accurate their depiction with the chauchat might be.
ETA - found a list online of infantry regiment associations with divisions - Infantry Regiments Distribution the 521st IR was part of hte 133 RD, but nothing more than that - I do have soviet RD histories at home I think - but the books are at hte bottom of a pile somewhere… I’ll se if I can find anything further.
That’s very interesting. I guess the Chauchat is okay. I still think replacing it with the Madsen would be a good idea
Not at all true,
8mm lebel and 30.06 isn’t much different. 30.06 is more powerful, but not by far.
The reworking of the chauchats by gladiator was just done… poorly.
go tell it to all the weapon websites that disagree with you… 8mm Lebel max pressure 320 MPa, 30-06 405-415 MPa…
Or i’ll go to trusted experts, who, I actually believe over random websites.
There’s no discussion here
The US army says cartridge power was an issue -
However rather than being a dismissive tosser I thought I’d see if there actually is a discussion to be had, because I like to learn and have no illusions about knowing everything. Looks like we both got bits wrong - there was no rework - the 30-06 was new manufacture.
This PPD was never used at the Eastern front
Or, I have had more than enough discussions on this matter on this very forum. To which, ‘everyone is a chauchat expert’.
I never specifically said the guns themselves had been reworked, but the reworking of the chauchat design itself to accommodate the 30.06 round by gladiator themselves was poorly done.
Just in case nobody knows, the “DSZ” was a limited production run weapon made in far eastern Russia. They never saw active use in Berlin as the PPsh 41 and 43 SMG was far closer to the front and in sufficient numbers.
As such it is an ahistorical weapon and should be removed. The MP40 I was actually used at least.