Why is the gorov LMG considered a semi auto rifle? and why the coenders is called mg yet, it's an smg?

The thing is; every weapon in existance is designed for specific role or multipurpose.
Not like some omnipotent gun specialists and engineers have been deciding what weapon is in what category before they were created since the beginning of the time.
People invent weapons and those weapons are classified but others according to their features later on.
This is why you can find many overlapping examples. This is not absolute fact like a verse in a holy book
Bren gun was the standart lmg of british but commandos and paras somethimes used them like assault weapons without bipod.
Fg 42 is considered automatic rifle but its mechanism works more like lmg.
Feodorov operates very similar to modern assault rifles but it is considered an auto rifle etc …

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Wtf? I have been lied to. :face_with_raised_eyebrow: weird enough, I haven’t noticed it even tho I played both guns quite extensively…

But I guess it’s possible I just got it wrong. This is what sleep deprivation does to a person, it totally destroys their brain.

Thanks for clarification. I should’ve checked your sheet twice before starting to spread such nonsenses.

sure, but in the game that’s completely irrelevant.

still… irrelevant inside enlisted

yet in enlisted is an MG and remains an mg

except… it’s a battle rifle.

not an lmg.

I don’t know, although imo the johnson lmg shouldve definitely been categorized as a semi auto

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yeah…

it’s a bit of a mess

This could be solved by introducing a lightweight 1944-45 version with an excellent front folding grip

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fairly sure the WAR should be one too

Weight should determine movement speed penalties.

Weight combined with ergonomics should determine MG effective accuracy.

A MG42 is extremely front heavy and technically speaking multiplies the felt weight.

The US 30. cal has a buttstock which is designed to be shot prone - which makes it completely unusable while on the move.

→ these things should be the real factors for MG balance, which of course should mean that we need working bipods.

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It’s a shame that judging by your words the US will not be getting a new semi-automatic rifle in the upcoming big update, meaning the US will once again remain a nation that lives solely on what the developers give it advantages in terms of capture rate and number of reinforcements.

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34*

since the mg 42 was an effort to make it lighter, and fire more

( even though, yeah, in enlisted, doesn’t feel different outside the rate of fire )

but i agree on everything else.

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rather, it is simpler to manufacture and less costly in terms of metal. It’s funny, but this is probably the only weapon that the Germans were able to make cheaper. Then they again spent iron on unnecessary stuff and the same unnecessary heavy tanks

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the volkssturm weapons such as the vg 1-5, kriegsmodel, and others would like to have a word with you :smirk:

b-b-ut they will work!

they will turn the tides!

we… don’t consider end gears that will most likely leave you after a while… or how some engines catches on fire because of said weight.

or even if most of the bridges of that time, couldn’t even handle the weight.

but d e t a i l z

MP40 and stgs were also made in the same deep stamping technology and were quite cheap.

Also interesting thing about steel stamping, german helmets were stampedd in multiple stages, that made them costly but also robust. Meanwhile US that had simpler process of stamping it’s helmets, had some minor quality issues (wall thinning).

Steel was so big deal back then, kind of amazing. Now it’s chips and micro electronics and that’s boring imo.

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no, the mp 40 was a rather expensive smg compared to the pps and m3, and for the stg they simply did not have time to make cartridges in the right amount

MP40: 269,02 USD
M3: 250 USD
PPSh: 161 - 258 USD

“Rather expensive”.

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I don’t know what ppp is, if you mean pps than it’s hard to say what was it cost in monney in the first place.
And M3 is literalry made to be cheap above all else.

I meant more like good quality to cost ratio. “Quite cheap”, not the cheapest.

Its not even expensive, at least not much more than the others.
The M3G also had some functional issues at the start, which I cannot recall on the MP40 other than the single feeding issues.

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As @mergenthewise pointed it out, weapon classification are based on their role.
Cönders MG and LAD both fire pistol calibers like submachineguns the assaulters use.
Fg42 may function as an machine gun but was used as a battlerifle.
Even though BAR is called automatic rifle, it was used in LMG role, though it’s important to note that BAR has obsolete WW1 classification, its before the term LMG was invented but there was still a need to call it something henceforth “automatic rifle” was used.

Gorov is in a weird spot, it is clearly a LMG but DF took the liberty and made it an infantry weapon.

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Well the modern MG3 is known to be front heavy, shooters don’t shoulder this weapon, the MG34 should also be front heavy - but yeah one is milled, the other is stamped.

VG 1.5 moment