Why is PPD 34/38 IV tier?

I don’t really understand why is PPD 34/38 IV tier or PPD 40 V tier, they are both submachineguns designed and produced prior to war, it is really weird to see that submachinegun for example during Battle of Berlin, of course it could be technically possible but let’s be real eh?
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power level thing. Soviets have the problem of having exellent SMGs at almost every tier, so to flesh out BR3 & 4 PPSh & PPD are here. Why is PPD40 Br5? Nobody knows. At this point several early BR5 weapons in every nation could prob be moved to br4 to flesh it out

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ps its getting 73 rounds instead of 71 next patch to help things :slight_smile:

I know this is purely my personal speculation. But I believe they will eventually allow all maps to be played at all BRs once preferential map system will be implemented.

But to answer your question.

It’s literally for the same reason why German last ditch weapons currently sits at BR2-3.
Devs simply do not prioritize historical realities and immersion over weirdly structured balance.

Before merge was implemented, I suggested that all weapons should be balanced towards the year of deployment.
For example PPSH-41 could get significant penalties to reload speed, dispersion and movement speed and be put at low BR (early war). (High capacity mag isn’t everything).
German last ditch weapons on other hand could get very low dispersion, fast reload, decent dmg and so. To justify them at being high BRs (late war)

But I guess it would be way too radical change and devs didn’t choose to go that path. It is what it is.

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Wait so am I right that for example you can play Battle of Moscow only if you have low tier?

Yes.

Personally I think it would be best if each faction had its positives and negatives for each weapon individually, I do understand that balance is priority over historical accuracy which is kinda annoying for me since I am diehard WW2 larper. But for example it would be nice if there was limited amount of submachine guns per squad, both PPD 34, PPD 38 or PPD 40 were really produced in limited numbers, so I think less than one is enough. Germans on other hand could receive more submachineguns per squad but they wouldn’t be as good as Soviet ones. I know this is really wild suggestion and it wouldn’t probably work but it would really add to the atmosphere and actually recreate historical immersion.

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I totally agree with that. But something like this was probably more likely to happen in the old pre-merge Enlisted.

I really don’t expect the developers to go for something like that now. Their main priority is quite obviously symmetrical balance.
So don’t really hope for something like that, you will just end up disappointed.

That is, unless at some point in the very distant future they come up with something like a historical mode that’s completely separated from the current classic one.

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Yeah, actually imagine you could have similiar matchmaking like in War Thunder where you would be able to pick between arcade battles or battles with historical immersion, that would surely lure in many new players from other realistic fps shooters.

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You wanna know something even weirder? The Thompson’s are listed in reverse
BR /= historical accuracy

The Thompson’s and BAR’s were produced long before the war as well (but you can get level two Thompsons), which is one reason I think the base BAR 1918 should be dropped to level 2. The Bren is terrible compared to the MG13 and really no better then the Russian Madsen, which I don’t use since I bought four RPK 1943’s from BP. I think it’s better then the Madsen, but only comes with a 15 round mag.

All I know is I hate the Russian Tractor plant. :face_with_raised_eyebrow: Why? Because I play like shit on that map. :unamused:

I actually don’t like PPD - it performs weirdly in my opinion. It could deserve some performance buff - especially the BR1 PPD.

BR’s aren’t based on production date, they’re based on the efficiency of the gun

That isn’t the all that BR were promised to be.

The higher the BR, the more modern the equipment is in context of WW2, which enlisted is all about.

But I guess 9 months old video is already outdated.

Tbh, it was outdated since day one.

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And that makes it all weird, that’s like putting BT-7 to IV tier just because it has better engine output than other tanks

Luckily

Why are ALL submachine guns at BR 5? They all need to be moved down to the fourth (Except those with >= 100), and those that are already on the fourth to the third. (except for the Tokyo arsenal)

In the same video there were already late war tech in early war BR so I dont know why you complain about that one now. Also, same video states that BR will matches performance in battle which goes in the opposite direction of the other sentence.
But for most part, it goes hand in hand except for stuff like the MP3008 or the Fedorov.
Not like they made weird statements in their marketing before.

Stop spamming, your illiteracy is annoying.