Why is MKb 42 in Stalingrad?

DFs source for adding the MKb:

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Still. I’m trying to create an Hungarian squad with Kiraly. Not as easy as I thought to customize it to look the part. I think the only real distinction Hungarians had was they were a bit more ok with beards and mustaches…

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4 shots? No way. Its 2-3.

If some old unobtainable weapon was op it dosnt mean weapans we actually can use in todays game cant be op as fuk

Unfortunately, this is a source even I can make up on the Internet, not even a reputable gun guy like McCollum, let alone an actual academic historian with reputation.
And even here it says 'Eastern Front", which you know was from the Arctic to the Black Sea, not “Stalingrad”, and “low rate mass production” in “late 1942”, i.e. when the Germans had been encircled and starving to death in Stalingrad.

Once again, I’m yet to see a single source actually backing up the Stalingrad claim.

And honestly I would’ve understood if it was a gold order “experimental” weapon (which it was at the time), or some ‘mediocre’ lesser known weapon in the campaign, but the MKb slaps, so every German player will have as much of them as possible, there’s no reason not to.
And it’s not like the MG-42s and MP-40s with PPSh-41s are so not enough. Just… why?

Do the devs not understand that this will kill off any sense of authenticity of Stalingrad very soon.

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you must be very new then.

welcome to enlisted :slight_smile:

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No, I’ve played since Berlin test 2020. Sometimes semi-fake stuff is needed for balance, but in this case I see no logic.

r-rrrright.

so i guess you are fine with fgs being given to everyone except being mainly made for paratroopers, seeying time traveling tanks on normandy, outdated equipment just for the sake of grind in campaigns where they should, uniform that nothing look like " accurate ".

but you are " hurted " by a prototype rifle that we don’t know if it was there or not.

you do you mate.

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let me put everything people want together no PPSH Mkb and Kiraly(sorry if the name is wrong) for the germans
Meanwhile i have zero problems fighting them with my Mosin

No, I’m not fine with any of that.

But as I’ve mentioned, I don’t care about or play much Normandy, so the Jumbo stuff isn’t hurting me too much, even if I wish it was historical too.

Regarding FG-42s, that’s BS too, but at the very least the gun was adopted into service at that time and there are photos of it in Berlin; older stuff like MP-28 in Moscow is possible too, etc etc.

As far as MKb in Stalingrad goes, I see zero gameplay reason, zero historical reason and zero factual sources from those who ‘defend’ it.

No, you got it wrong, I want a source for your claim:

I can tell you that it’s a lost fight, we are involved in it since the OBT started.

even earlier :upside_down_face:

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enlisted and authenticity two words that dont get along

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What is controversial about the captured PPSh-41 except that people dont like copy paste weapons?

Each side captured the other’s weapons and used them.

Well aparently the devs saw a reason for adding the PPSh (an inferior, slower firing “early” version I might add - I’d actually like to see sources for those even existing) and not adding the MP-40 for the soviet side. Possibly because no soviet player would use them anyway since even the first soviet SMG is so much better.

I’m not sure if darkflow really claimed “no premium units in this campaign” or not otherwise I could perfectly imagine though a soviet premium squad with MP40.

For the german PPSh and MKb I could perfectly imagine 3 reasons:

A) They thought it adds to balancing
B) They thought it attracts players and therefor customers due to german WW2 high end gear being very popular
C) They were actually used (like the PPSh which was used a lot by the germans)

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PPSh - yes, as I said, it’s debatable, but it addssome perk to Stalingrad.
MKb - yet to see a single source even remotely supporting the claim of it being in Stalingrad.

And as far as balancing goes, once again, I see no reason to give the Germans a very good and basically fantasy weapon, could’ve just ended with equally good PPSh for both sides and call it a day.

It’s also a bit of a shame no end game German player will use the classic MP-40 it seems, everyone will switch every soldier to godforsaken Mkb/PPSh/Kiraly maybe.

I will tbh, i like historical squads. Soo i dont even use MKB unless it is squad leader to add little flavour. But another than that MG 34, MP 40, Kar 98k are my main weapons.

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Here is the interesting quandary about this gun.
While we cannot prove it was there, we also cannot prove that it wasn’t.
War photography, soldiers dairies, logistics forms, unit readiness reports, so much of that was destroyed during the Germans Rout in 42-43.
It took me close to 8 years of painstaking research just to find out where my Grandfather Served. I have his medals, and part of the optic of a StuG III in my house. And still to this day, 20 years later, I cannot find the records of which Sturmartillerie Unit he was attached to.
All I have is a fuzzy photo which sure looks like the hills of Northern Italy (he spoke both languages fluently and often talks and praises their air arm while he was alive) but beyond that and his journal, there is nothing else to go on.
So much of Germany was turned to rubble. So many important historical documents lost or thrown that us Historians would LOVE to have had.

All we know for any certainty is that the MkB was used and primarily served on the Eastern front. That’s it.
The rest is artistic liberty by the Devs to give us a fun campaign that is based (in terms of arms) loosely on a time period without having to be ultra specific.

Either you deal with it, or you don’t. But the Die has been cast and there is no going back from it. You should rejoice the fact the Devs had the wherewithal to stop every infantryman from being able to use the damn thing.

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It’s not a minus, it’s a plus.