Just played several matches against what felt like a “clan”. Same 4 people, with same squad loadouts of as many MGs as possible. No strafing or taking positions, just running and jumping, quick scoping, which abuses network prediction and makes it harder to register hits. Crashing planes immediately after bombing, because there is no punishment for this. Genuinely shitty to play against, as not only it looks stupid, it abuses mechanics.
This game didn’t feel like COD at the start, but now it does. It feels like speed of soldiers was increased overall, since launch or we just have more soldiers now with higher stats.
Whoever thought that it’s ok to be able to shoot while jumping?
Your networking code, doesn’t resolve hit detection well, it differs too much between different matches. In some matches its so bad that it feels like you can’t land any shots at all at anyone moving. Running with MGs and just hip firing is an ultimate SMG experience. While getting one-shoted by the bots when you clear buildings using SMG - you made a fix for that for flamethrowers, instead of fixing core issue - reaction speed and accuracy of bots, is higher than that of an average player, on small distances.
No point in deploying MGs statically anymore because objectives are falling too fast, by the time you set sandbag and ammo, enemy already took half of the objective. So even more incentive to use MG as an assault weapon.
General tendency to have this game being more like adrenaline fueled run and gun game instead of a slower more tactical experience.
I’m not extending my premium and will check it again somewhere next year. I’ve hoped it would move more in the direction of Red Orchestra with simulation, than a COD with some sim gimmicks.
No, they didn’t. They did have a very good aim, I though maybe someone was aim boting but in couple of cases they didn’t spot me.
The thing is, depending on how networking part is done, you can have a very different exploitable behavior. Like for example in Tarkov, you can move to pick a corner and take a shot - on the receiving end it will look like someone shot you before they even stepped around the corner. Client side prediction and hit resolution in Tarkov just benefits one that is moving, not who is static. The faster characters move, rotate and etc. the more exploitable this becomes.
In any case I agree ANY kangaroos cod like players should be nerfed. Perhaps not completely prevent shooting while jumping, but giving the same aim penalty that lmgs users had while running during the accuracy patch (now reverted) would make this behavior absolutely worthless but we would still see those idiots attempting to do it and mock them as they fail ridiculously.
I’d also make that aim penalty persist for 1.5 seconds after landing from a jump.
I thought I was in Australia today and not Moscow, herds of console ‘skippies’ bounding across the snow! My fault for playing through the day whilst ‘working’ from home Seriously though, I freakin hate console bunny hoppers…
While I agree with you that things have gotten worse with how fast the game is being played, i still really like it, the concept reminds we of Red Orchestra, fast time to kill and AI mixed together with real players.
While the game definitely has room to improve - for me especially when it comes to realism- , as long as the time to kill and the base idea of the game doesn’t change I will enjoy playing it.
Movement speed, aiming speed, reloading speed should be slowed than now.
This game just focuses on how many do i kill, not an aliveness.
I think this game should head to ‘aliveness’.
I agree, but I sure wish soldiers’ physics and inertia was improved to match the realism of ballistics.
Soldiers, especially bots, lack any feeling of momentum. They should not be able to 360-720 and zig-zag quicker than the rifle bullet flying towards them.
This does NOT mean that soldiers should be taking whole meters to slide to a stop every time you release movement button, but nonetheless there should be at least a minimum yet noticeable feeling of inertia both when starting and stopping a sprint.
It would only require us a little time to get used to, and learn to stop sprinting just a bit earlier before coming to a corner, in order to stop behind it instead of unwillingly stepping out. Just like we would IRL.
I don’t know but it’s quite rare fighting against these players, and it just sounds like that they were just better skilled than you. Abusing mechanics? sounds like you don’t know how to use these mechanics.
Exactly. Low time to kill is not a problem, it’s the lack of inertia that makes experience so jarring. Like it’s no ok that someone can avoid getting shot by going prone faster than bullet hits them.
Characters can run fast, like they always did in BF for example. The key difference is that inertia adds a sub-second predictability to the movement. This improves hit detection too, besides making movement look smoother.
To the people talking about skill. I’m not a competitive player. I play games for fun, not for proving something to someone. Yes, I could learn and use the same exploits. But I believe that doing so goes against the spirit of the gaming. Games are escapism, they shouldn’t be “work”, at least for me. I have no desire to start my Enlisted session by first loading into CS: GO aim training map. Then doing a round of bunny hopping warmup, then playing only that campaign that has the highest DPS weapons with lowest hip fire spread. So I could use my bunny hop run and gun to the fullest extent. That’s what being try hard means.
Learning weak spots of tanks is not the same as practicing recoil compensation on one specific weapon for hours everyday. Both are explicit game rules, but one of them is going a bit to far into the land of competitive plat.
Enlisted is explicitly designed with minimal competitive structure, like weapons for example, have random recoil instead of specific patterns like in CS. This is what I like about this game.
Things like bunny hopping is clearly just anachronism from game code not handling this part of the player movement. Lack of inertia feels like an oversight.
It’s the small things which in combination become a major annoyance. Like mounting weapons for example, not only in some cases it’s just frustrating to find the spot where prompt shows up. But then after finding spot you realize that your movement is restricted to 15 degrees and by going full turn to one side you loose the mount. So how about learning this? Should I tell someone who complains about this that they luck the skill and should just memorize how every window works in this game or how to create your own best patterns from sandbags? Like I do this shit, but I’m not going to tell someone that they luck skill for not doing the same.
It’s not difficult to separate genuine game mechanic from lack of polish. Think about how you sound when you tell someone that they luck skill to use and oversight of the game mechanics rather than genuine rules.
Seriously though, I freakin hate console bunny hoppers…