Where are the Canadian Forces?

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I dont see the point here. We have a tech tree that clearly represents the Western Allies yet only has US and UK uniforms.
All those countries you listed are separate to the Commonwealth. You obviously didnt read my comment either since I went into how we already have 1 Australian guerilla squad plus the assets for Australian and New Zealand uniforms from premium/event squads.

I.e Two of the nations have already in some form been considered. So the idea that oh if we include a slouch hat here or a specifically Canadian uniform there it will open the floodgates to everyone is bogus.

I believe players would accept the Commonwealth being added first in the form of uniform customisation. Remember, Commonwealth assets such as the Ross rifle and Owen gun are already in the tech tree.

Thats different to whole new squads and weapons like France or Mongolia (??).

I have previously suggested that ONE more faction be added to the game, being France-Poland-Belgium-Netherlands. It would be BR I-III maybe IV and combine the tech of all those countries which would be more than enough for a full tree with no copy paste.

But that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand which is adding Canadian uniforms as an option.

Commonwealth uniforms should be added as options. And yes I do believe in Axis there should eventually be Hungarian, Romanian and maybe Finnish uniforms.

But your argument is like saying we shouldnt give aeroplanes in Enlisted bombs because someone will want an atomic bomb. DF chose to include Commonwealth (and minor Axis nations) weapons. Therefore they should include uniforms appropriate to the countries that used those weapons. Its not that hard to understand.

No one is demanding the Philippines or Mongolia be added. China is a separate debate since like France it would be either a whole new faction (which is VERY different to a couple of customisation options) OR whole new squads/sub faction within an existing tree probably USSR.

And at the end of the day, why are people like you so hostile to literally any new addition to the game? Enlisted needs new additions to keep people interested and there are a number of things missing that really ought to be included in the first place.
Commonwealth uniforms are one of those things.

And maybe some day way in the future we will get Filipino squads or Mongolian uniforms or whatever. So what? That means more enjoyment for more players.

Right now all we are asking for is some more customisation options, the vast majority of which as I keep having to repeat, already exist or are very, very easily modified.

Tell me how adding Commonwealth uniforms as options for customisation would “ruin” Enlisted?

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yes that is what i was saying that you were asking for every nation that took up arms in WW2 that is why i said it, looks around oh never. My point is Canada was a minor combatant WWII: mobilization by country 1937-1945 | Statista, you called adding Canada and the other common-wealth nations as a small amount of work, hah and hahhahaha. Adding a squad or two would be but adding the full commonwealth would not be a small amount of work and all the commonwealth nations maybe 5% of the player base would go wild.

I did read it i was making a point, how different are there uniforms i am sorry but as people complain about having a million thomsons having options to make an entire commonwealth would be like making customization so Texas could be included as separate customization.

my question is on the list of priorities how low would the commonwealth as a sub faction be. after making UK/ Italy separate factions, fixing the Halloween event for next year. Adding Japan/Russia as playable adding more maps general bug fixes. fixing the endless cycle of x faction being overpowered and y faction being underpowered. Fixing the research tree, fixing prices in silver and gold for everything.

my real question is as a percent of the player base what percentage do you think adding commonwealth customization is in there top ten or top twenty five, maybe top 50 top hundred. cause i would be surprised if it was double digits.

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That is out right false information.
Canada served from start to finish, participating in the largest campaigns and in one of the most Iconic battles, D-Day were the only force to reach the final objective. The First established Spec Ops unit, The Devil’s Brigade was done so in Canada who delivered the most critical blows to Axis forces and infrastructure behind Enemy lines.

What you are doing is perpetuation the American Myth made popular by pop culture osmosis understanding of WW2.

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Yes, I do get a lot of vibes in the Enlisted community sometimes of Yanks and Russians who just cant stand the fact that the Second WORLD war was a team effort and they werent the only ones doing stuff…

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Indeed, the USA would not join the war until 1941, halfway through the conflict.
Which as I brought up in the original post, they were warned it would reach them ahead of time and still declined support.
Shortly after they joined, Germany would lose Russia as its biggest ally and while Germany had Technical superiority for the majority of the war. The cost of maintaining that became too much when the rest of the world came after them.

WW2 was won through the combined efforts of those that came together and the USA was far from the biggest or strongest player, just the loudest in retrospect.

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Yeah USA was very necessary for manpower and manufacturing. We couldnt have won back the Pacific without them. BUT it was Australian soldiers who were the first Allied army to beat the Japanese on land AND the Germans (in the desert).

Canada as we know did a lot too like D Day and I mentioned the Canadian manufactured trucks.

In terms of the amount given/lost Poland was the most by far in WWII.

It is also true USA didnt enter until 1941 and its funny how people forget Italy swapped sides and Finland was just defending itself.
We celebrate USSR yet conveniently forget in September 1939 the USSR joined Nazi Germany in invading Poland. USSR was allied with Nazi Germany and later Japan too.
It wasnt until they were attacked that the British reached out and now were all supposed to be friends. USSR also imprisoned downed allied airmen caught in their territory and stole US technology.
In 1945 the Russians planned to take over Denmark but British T force rushed to secure Kiel first while RN and RAF forces secured Copenhagen.

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Yes Italy did switch sides in large part due to “Operation: Underworld.”
An American Operation collaboration with New York and Chicago Mafia Bosses, to establish connections and organize assaults in Italy, in exchange for fully pardons and bringing over families that got left behind when many Italians immigrated over.
Though unfortunately the US government would go back on its word, arresting everyone they worked with and denying existence of the entire operation.

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Thats interesting I didnt know about this. Thanks for sharing. FYI happy to move to DMs if you wish to talk further history lest we derail your original post haha.

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Sure why not

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fine but lets get some facts straight

one The European theater was a European war Americas was forced into
two it was caused by the Treaty of Versilia
three Hitler had no planes to start until 1941 until Europe handed over the sudation land on a silver plater
four the French folded like a deck of cards
five the Circus that was the Expeditionary force that ran away with its tail between its legs
six America sanction Japan for its war like Behavior in Central Asia
seven Japan committed an act of terrorism We laughingly call Pearl Harbor
by a launching a fleet in peace time
committed sabotage and espionage to obtain classified information
planned to declare war two hours before the attack hit the fleet in pearl harbor, not two hours before the fleet was launched, not two hours before the first plane was launched but two hours before the first bomb would hit
eight the massive amount of supplies provided to England and the USSR
not limited to tanks, fighter, bomber, guns, ammunition, steel, oil, food, clothing, trucks
nine the insane amount of money to reconstruct Europe after the second world war
ten only being in four out of a six year war yes, which ignores the decades the US had to occupy Europe after the war
eleven paying Europe’s share of defense which took a nose-dive after the cold war and was never enough
being expected to provide the bulk of any peacekeeping force men material and money while being declared war mongers.
twelve Nevile Chamberline which to be fair should be number twelve and thirteen
well if you need more i am sure i can come up with it

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lets do this as math and be incredibly generous to all involved
responsible for defeating Axis in Europe
UK/Commonwealth 25% USSR 30% US 35% Other nations 10%
Responsible for defeating Axis in Asia
UK/Commonwealth 15% USSR 25% US 50% other Nations 10%

Over-all war effort
UK/Commonwealth 21.5% USSR 31.5% 40% Other 7.5
Overall Causing the War
UK/Commonwealth 33.33% USSR 40% US 13% Other

Good so far
Causing war with Axis in Europe
UK/Commonwealth 35% USSR 45% France 15% Other including US 5%
Causing War with Japan
UK/Europe outside of USSR 30% USSR 30% US 30% Other 10%

I rated US in Asia as much higher but rated the European theater as 66% of the war and Asia 33%, I through in Africa and the middle east as part of Europe but i could break it down, US would be even weaker in this area but it would be a smaller part of the war than either the Asian or European theater. Yes

The US joined the war late but so did every other country the war ;‘started’ in 1939. But the cause and fighting began much earlier if you want more credit for ending the war take the lions share for starting the war. Yes America di not do all the fighting. But to be fair most of the war was not our fight.

Here is another shocker America never takes credit for winning the First world war. (The Germans had just started a big push, the Allies wanted to us American soldiers as fillers breaking them into god knows how small of units, the point is the Europeans saw America not as an ally but a resource you can Understand why we crow about WW2) Of course because we did not, but we helped and how much credit do we get. About as much as the guy that brings soda to a party next to the guy that provided the venue, or the pizza sub or wings. Did America by itself win the war, hell did it do far more than its share hell yes.

America both wanted to fight in and avoid WW1 as many saw America at the time as a third rate power. Then WW2 kicks off and Europe tries to drag America into the war. Like many countries The US is dealing with the depression and a possible war on three fronts including the home front. America has to provide not only for itself but its allies many of who want to take the lead. I have never said America won the war i would only say it was the single greatest contributing faction. It would be like saying the star Football player of a team won the game by him or herself, no but they are the single biggest factor and would be blamed first if they lost. -a reminder much of the us did not want to fight in ww2 before pearl harbor, just like the commonwealth before Poland-

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That’s rich.
I find it hilarious every American I’ve met always cries, “We didn’t wanna fight, it wasn’t our war” and still howl “The allies won because of us.”
Joining the war was the main promise of FDR’s reelection campaign in 1941 and this was before the attack on Pearl Harbor, and you expect me to believe this math is “Generous?”
I will grant you there was a number of Americans that protested joining but in those same protests were lobbying to support Hitler and I don’t think that is a point in your favor.

But I digress.
The original issue was seeing the rest of the allied forces were given representation and recognition in this WW2 game that you feel apparently would ruin it while at the same time saying “You want the credit take it” in which case you should be supporting this and even lobbying for the USA to be removed if “You didn’t wanna fight” so damn bad or its such a stain on America’s History like you seem to be implying.
You can’t claim credit for the kill and play victim at the same damn time.

I do not want Canada to take credit for ending the war, I don’t want any single country to take that credit. I asked for the allied forces to be given recognition and representation they are due. Which if your “Generous math” is to be taken at face value, you should whole heartly support but again you claim it will “ruin the game.”
Which leads me to believe that your underline issue isn’t about the game itself and is instead about sharing the spotlight of WW2 because America would trademark it if they thought they could get away with it.
But I’m done with the issue and your double standard.

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