Whats the point with the Manchuria spam?

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Manchuria is possible the worst campaign, when it comes to balance and interest rate outside of Russia.

Balance? Why?

  • 1. Tanks

Like… Japan is not really known for being a nation with good tanks. Now you want to let them play against the Soviets? The Soviet army of 1945 where they have T-34-85 and IS which were deployed in Manchuria? The Type 3 Chi-Nu? Never left Japan? Chi-Nu II and Chi-To? Sorry, never left testing phase and never left Japan as well. Na-To? Well. They were not able to finish one by 1945. Let alone, they all can’t really pen the IS outside its buggy mantlet.

= Japan is screwed.

  • 2.Automatic weapons

Type 100 is cool and all that, but let’s be honest. It’s not better than the PPSh. The remaining SMGs for Japan are MP28, MP34 and maybe Beretta M38. Wow. So you want to give them guns which are already worse than the PPSh and let them fight against the PPD which is better as well or at least on par with the Beretta?
The same goes for machine guns. Type 99 is also cool, but at the end, a Japanese Bren/ ZB. And again, the DT is better here as well. And Type 11 and 96 are more like Madsen (or a Breda) and the Madsen is just a placeholder until you get the DP. Not necessary the best counterpart for the DP and DPM. Also, the Japanese ammo they use for their MGs, is less powerful than the Soviet one.

= Japan is screwed

  • 3. Rifles

Japan doesn’t have anything to offer aside from many (good) BA rifles but… you play against the 1945 Soviets and both Normandy and Berlin are not really known for being a rifle campaign. Japan has no SA rifle and just using captured Garands is just lazy, and Type 4 is just a Garand copy proto and probably never left Japan as well. So no real counter for SVT. Japan has no battle rifle/ AR, so the true madness starts when the Soviets get the Avtom, AVT or even AVS.

= Japan is screwed

  • 4. AT

If the Soviets only get PTRS and PTRD, it would be still problematic as the Japanese only had one AT rifle iirc and the Typ 97 is not the same just by looking at its weight (52kg compared to 17kg of the PTRD). Also I dont know if the Japanese had it available in Manchuria as the divisions there were poorly equipped. And good luck trying to kill a IS with a AT rifle. The lunger mine? Then the Soviets would get the Faust and the Faust has a longer range and your chance of survival is higher than on the Empire side.

= Japan is screwed in both cases

  • 5. Planes

Well. Here I don’t know much. Guess some copy+paste from Berlin and A6 and all that.

= Nothing so far. So Japan only loses in 4/5 sections. Cool.

Result: Unbalanced. No one who is sane, would play Japan.

Interest rate:
I keep only hear that the Russians are sole nationality/ “language” group, who really want Manchuria. I keep hearing that one reason is Hollywood and underrepresentation blabbla.
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Wasn’t one of the main complaints about BFV that the maps/ ass-boring campaigns were not based on mainstream campaign at the beginning (and the end as well apart from Pacific), only Norway, Libya and Fall Gelb 1940. Wasn’t the Pacific the main reason why BFV somehow managed to get more people (back)?
Anyway, outside of motherland Russia, the interest for Manchuria isn’t really high/ people are aware of its issues in terms of balance. And probably most of them are Soviet mains and combining the fact that this campaign is Berlin 2.0 but with a Germany with equipment from 1939… have fun killing bots (again) only I guess.
And… Russia for the 4th time now? Really? Play Stalingrad if you simp the Soviet faction so much that you don’t really ca… oh wait… Mkb I guess.

The “best”/ the funniest solutions so far
Note: If you already have to make your campaign so… lets say “special” compared to other campaigns, or even have to remove stuff which was actually used there, then you should realize that the campaign sucks and won’t be fun to play for one side.

  • Do not use the T34 and the IS models. Just use the BT-7
    So… we need to remove the most used tanks of the Soviets in 1945/ historical tanks and only use one light tank, the BT (maybe together with the T-80) to balance this? That’s horrible. I don’t want to get stuff restricted completely and just use tanks I could play in Moscow (or in Berlin). And it doesn’t solve the other gear issues apart from the AT rifle part.

  • Only make twenty level or sth. like this
    No. Grind is part of the game, and some people only play for the grind. 20 Levels is nothing (content- and time-wise) and at this point, you could also just give us premade squads and some silver orders. Especially if your campaign doesn’t offer anything new apart from Japan (but nobody wants to play them against the Russians of 1945)

  • Event campaigns
    DF doesn’t make WW2 events, at least looking at the Moon and Modern Warfare events.

  • Make some weird multinational/ mutli-timline campaign which multiple mini-campaigns idk
    Sounds weird and almost impossible to create. The time and resources you would need to create such kind of unwanted campaign system could be used for something else.

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i hope the next campaign is the philippines (1942) is the only place balanced enough for a pacific campaign

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Exactly… Glorious USSR farm bots just in another campaign, like always. Is that what they want, I mean isn’t that exactly why so many play USSR?

If Manchuria is out it would 99% be a Soviet bot-farming with RD44 and AS44 against Typ 38

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Fans of suicide on planes in Enlisted will be happy to play for the Japanese. They will bear the proud name “kamikaze”.

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I will be able to disguise my abysmal flying skills as “honor” :laughing:

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I mean, Japan had some AT rocket launhers and stuff.
And let’s be honest,darkflow odn’t care about historical accuracy too much, so stuff leaving Japan is not very important.

But I do agree that a late war pacific campaign would be stupid.
2nd sino-japanesse war or early Burma campaign, possibly the Solomons would all be much better.

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2nd sino-japanesse war and early Burma could also work. Possibly also early Solomons camapign.

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Wouldn’t work. Winnie would be disappointed.

Meh, a classic usa vs Japanese would be enough. Been made often I know, but at least it would be fun and not TOO unbalanced…

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Honestly, I don’t really feel like that’s true. Late war one would be very unbalanced, early could be possible that way. Still, tanks and semi rifles would be a problem though. The problem I have with this though is that USA already has everything interesting going for them in Normandy. So this would basically be 100% copy paste.
Meanwhile Burma or sino-japanese would be a lot more unique.

Yeah, might be a problem for Gaijin. Though they’re russian, not chinese so still possible. Especially if winnie offends the former kgb bald man in the near future.
But even then, Burma could work. Could just put in the british Raj as allies.

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Burma, I know I keep mentioning that but Burma in 42 would offer the best bang for the buck imo, an Easly balanced set of kit, and a variety of Nations, British/Commonwealth, some US Kit and Planes, and the Chinese fought there as well, with some T-26’s and a few other odd ball tanks, plus it has a variety of terrain types that could be modeled from open Agricultual areas, to Jungle to hamlets to what passed for urban areas then.

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Yeah, the Tankies really seem to be on fire recently demanding Manchuria for some reason and I’m not sure why. The Pacific already has a whole lot of interesting candidates for a campaign without it. One of the islands is almost guaranteed (I’m willing to bet Okinawa, but I could be wrong), the Philippines would actually be intresting, being one of the few cases of urban combat in the pacific, and the British fielded enough outdated equipment in Burma where you could probably balance it no matter where and when you chose to place the campaign.

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Battle of Lake Khasan and Khalkin Gol are the only early war options for USSR vs Japan while Manchuria can also be expanded to Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands for additional material on the campaign.

Historically the Soviets did crush the Japanese in a few days in 1945 since they brought some of their units and equipment from Europe. The rainy weather, bad terrain did complicate the Soviet usage of tanks in Manchuria. The Far East Soviet units still have some early war stuff like BTs and T-26s.

If we go to Kuril Islands and Sakhalin, it would be great to see Naval Infantry units with different uniforms compared to regular Red Army soldiers.

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Any late war USSR vs Japan campaign would be horribly imbalanced, and any early war campaign would lack content. It’s best to not do any of them in the first place.

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anyway… if they can put jumbo and m2 carbine to normandy , surely they can find out a fictional japanese tank to counter soviet “ahhshit,herewegoagain” tanks

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Man seeing all these manchuria post makes me wish for a second sino japanese war campaign

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The Battle of Manchuria was instantly crushed by the Soviets because the main force, the Kwantung Army, had gone to Southeast Asia and Korea.
Most of the equipment was Type 38. Japanese equipment in China was far older than in Southeast Asia. There is no Japanese tank that can compete with the Soviet tanks, and the Type 95 light tank is the mainstay.

In the words of one Japanese junior officer, "The only way to counter the huge Soviet tanks is to blow ourselves up. "The only way to deal with them was to carry a box full of bombs on their backs and attack with suicide bombs.

It would be a game of just running away from the Soviet soldiers trying to take your watch.

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No they can’t, not even the Chi Ri is good enough to match an IS series tank, and that is the best the devs can do with the “If it existed, we can add it” rule.

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i cant imagine map design, or any other compensation that would make axis in pacific favorable when speaking about vehicles

more tickets for axis ?
mg nests for japanese on every corner from the start ?
the more im thinkin about pacific more troubles i find

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Axis already has pretty much both of those in Normandy, and it doesn’t really matter. It’s possible to balance against the UK and US, both of which fielded lighter vehicles as the war progressed, but requires a lot of thought.