We all know that, the BR system will ruin the game, I have a solution

[Kriegerfaust007]

1 there all period accurate, the period being ww2, second were going from battles to factions, thirdly if people wanted it separate they would “play war thunder” lastly people like you would then take out bomb runs, artillery and engineer buildings, you are right enlisted is a game of infantry but its also a game with a built in progression system unlocking new soldiers “Rifleman 1 2 3”, squads and weapons, an sp system would penalize people for playing the game

[khtk395]

@VoyoMayPL

Personally I still think that spawn score would solve most unbalance in the game without nerfing, segregation or locking stuff.

Spawn a tiger or 4 T-34s.
Spawn 9 plebs with volksturmgewehr or 4 guardsman with ppsh and armour.

It can even solve HA issues.
Spawn with 9 period accurate weapons or with 4 more expensive but time traveling ones.

I’d love to have a big gamemode with such rules.

It will create new unbalance between noob player and pro player. It is because pro player can easily spawn high level equipment/vehicle because they earn more spawn score by having better skill. Noob player can barely counter them using their low level equipment/vehicle.

[VoyoMayPL]

1. It’s equipment based balance, not skill based balance.
   If we include skill in balancing we will create ranking = competitive gamemode.

   Also good players may give additional points for killing them. Such system exist in the Planetside 2.
   This way ppl are encouraged to focus fire o them.

2. High cost stuff would get less points. Simplified equasion:
   spawn score multiplier = enemy soldier cost / my soldier cost
   Also game already punishes players for staying alive for too long.

[Kriegerfaust007]

enlisted
is a progression
based game
the entire goal of the game
is to level up unlocking
new squads and weapons
also the age old argument
i got stomped on as a noob
don’t take away my boot

[BigMoose69]

that’s a perfectly valid point. Yea okay I’ll agree with this.

[GuardianReaper0]

Great in theory, but it will only encourage smurf accounts.

I think the BR system will work better than you anticipate. It will at least guarantee that people are using similar gear, regardless of if its new or veteran players using it.

At least this way you don’t have Tiger tanks going up against Stuarts or Scotts, or STGs going up against bolties.

My only concern is the levels that they have some of the gear at. Personally I don’t think the explosive pack should be as low on the BR board as it is. Meanwhile AT mines are considerably high on the board.

[Comunistinha]

Dude, give up, this has been discussed several times, this forum community is convinced that farming newbies is a good thing, just go with the train and help the game player numbers to never increase

[Kriegerfaust007]

What about a kiddie pol, a the first month or so you only play with other noobs, or first hundred battles, best of both worlds noobs get protection, while more experienced players are not punished for playing the game

[Erennin]

Of course we all have some concerns about the big change and the effects it will have on game experience.

Merging will get more players on each match. This is a good thing.

Separating players by weapon BR tho, might not have the expected results.
Vets can still get their gang together and go BR 1. They know the maps, the weapons, they know how to best use engeneers, they will know better about rally points, they will take cover while reloading, etc, etc.
It’s gonna be seal clubing as usual.
Only thing that will save this is having vets on both sides.
But this is where we are at, right now . anyway…

In my opinion , to created balance, you would have to separate BR by kill rate (or any measure of player skill)
Players with kill rate 1/1 to players with kill rate of 10/1 and above.

Of course your win rate( or rank) might go up or down when you reach high BR but then you would float between BR rates.

But yeah let’s see how it rolls and hope for the best.
I’ll be choosing the weapons I like the most and play whatever BR it takes me to.

[robihr]

@BigMoose69

We all know that, the BR system will ruin the game

nope

@BigMoose69

I have a solution

i doubt it

@BigMoose69

devs are going to enact a major game breaking feature in the new update. The BR system. Long story short, this absolutely will not work, because it’s easily exploitable by seasoned players and will allow people to farm new players - increasing the barrier for entry, reducing playcount, and ultimately making this a very toxic game.

this is such stupid argument that idk where to start with.

1. now veterans farm new players with stg44, fedorovs, p47, tigers etc. so them being able to only farm players with similar weapons is big improvement.
2. so you are saying that this game is very toxic right now?

@BigMoose69

We have leagues instead, they’re in FIFA, Rocket League, and COD. 3 of the most popular competitive games on the planet. As you play, and win, you move up in leagues, each season you retain most of the league status you had in the previous season.

you dont understand that we dont want competitive game, but casual one.

@BigMoose69

We already have the player rating system, so it technically wouldn’t be that hard to enact. All you’d have to do is code the matchmaking to put you in matches with other players of the same rank, +/- 5 levels. Simple.

and player rating has nothing to do with skill. just with number of battles played. someone with 0 skill can be carried to marshal.

@BigMoose69

I’m not going to go on a long speel about how this will benefit the game because it’s pretty evident. The ramifications too - are far better than the BR system.

yes it is pretty evident that it would ruin the game.

@Yopsius

Players will definitely appear who will specifically lower the rating in order to have fun over new players.

OP didnt heard about smurfing.

[Comunistinha]

Some of the answers are so fucking tone death, yeah, the rank system can’t be improved to actually reflect the skill or overall performance of the player, it is a immutable thing that would not be changed if sbmm would exist.

Also, the fact that people can Smurf or that smurfing already happens totally justifies making no effort to diminishing it, same people that complain about tk’ers and sometimes cheaters, I guess it doesn’t matter if DF takes some action about it as is as easy as creating another account on a FREE game.

This community is also adamant that as long as the weapons are the same there is no issue as it is better than it was before so no need to further improve, same people that tried to gaslight about how the bolt action buff helped newbies when we veterans are the ones abusing this shit.

As I said, discussing this is useless, this people convinced themselves that there is no issue to be addressed or addressing it is waste of resources, just rest to us to make their wish to happen faster because I will be blasting newbies with bolties and early SMGs left and right once the merge comes.

[robihr]

@Comunistinha

This community is also adamant that as long as the weapons are the same there is no issue as it is better than it was before so no need to further improve, same people that tried to gaslight about how the bolt action buff helped newbies when we veterans are the ones abusing this shit.

skill difference will always exist unless you do SB MM. i am not against skill difference in casual game, i am just against veterans having overwhelming advantage in weaponry (while also having skill difference against newbies).

@Comunistinha

Also, the fact that people can Smurf or that smurfing already happens totally justifies making no effort to diminishing it, same people that complain about tk’ers and sometimes cheaters, I guess it doesn’t matter if DF takes some action about it as is as easy as creating another account on a FREE game.

smurfing is impossible to stop on f2p game (even on paid games it was impossible e.g. csgo before it went f2p). you could try banning hardware but it really wouldnt help cause you can easily change hardware info in few minutes. also lots of people have second computer so even hardware ban wouldnt help with second accounts. and there would be problem with multiple users on same computer.
and even on main account you could just downgrade with deliberate bad performance.

cheating on other hand is different cause they can ban in real time when they discover cheaters and they can ban on fixed time basis so progress accrued by cheaters will be 0.

[Comunistinha]

@robihr

skill difference will always exist unless you do SB MM. i am not against skill difference in casual game, i am just against veterans having overwhelming advantage in weaponry (while also having skill difference against newbies).

So tell me how the rank system can’t be improved to help an sbmm… See where is the problem on your argument, as I said, you and others treat it as immutable while no one said it has to stay as it is to accommodate a new matchmaking.

@robihr

cheating on other hand is different cause they can ban in real time when they discover cheaters and they can ban on fixed time basis so progress accrued by cheaters will be 0.

Big facepalm moment, so tell me how that’s impossible to smurfs, also, how even if smurfs exist how it is better to just let it free for all instead of at least acting over it, because it is very fucking hypocrite saying that smurfing will be a issue when defending a system that smurfing is the normal.

Being honest, don’t even answer because it isn’t the first time those same arguments are used, on the end y’all just fucking don’t care about the new player experience.

[CaptainSebekel]

@Kriegerfaust007

the entire goal of the game
is to level up unlocking

Because fun is overrated I guess.
Even in games you need to do chores.

[robihr]

@Comunistinha

So tell me how the rank system can’t be improved to help an sbmm…

cause nobody wants sbmm. it would turn casual game into a competitive one.

@Comunistinha

Big facepalm moment, so tell me how that’s impossible to smurfs, also, how even if smurfs exist how it is better to just let it free for all instead of at least acting over it, because it is very fucking hypocrite saying that smurfing will be a issue when defending a system that smurfing is the normal.

and how do you determine that player is smurf? what is the criteria for saying that one account is smurf or not? you can have e.g. 2 brothers that are playing on the same computer with 2 accounts. you can have people playing from internet caffe. also what is preventing player to intentionally lose 10 matches in a row do downrank and play in lower skill group?

cheating is easy to detect and punish. smurfing on other hand is not

@Comunistinha

Being honest, don’t even answer because it isn’t the first time those same arguments are used, on the end y’all just fucking don’t care about the new player experience.

i care about new player having equal grounds to fight back and not turning this into competitive game where you can only play against similarly skilled players. i dont care about seal clubbing if it is done with same weapons, but i care if seal clubbing is done with vastly superior weapons in which newbie just doesnt stand a chance against.

[Comunistinha]

@robihr

cause nobody wants sbmm. it would turn casual game into a competitive one.

That’s fair, fuck the new player experience, as I said.

@robihr

and how do you determine that player is smurf? what is the criteria for saying that one account is smurf or not? you can have e.g. 2 brothers that are playing on the same computer with 2 accounts. you can have people playing from internet caffe. also what is preventing player to intentionally lose 10 matches in a row do downrank and play in lower skill group?

Same energy as: hey there is a hot metal rod I have to shove up my ass, I have the option to at least cool it down, but whatever, it doesn’t matter anyway.

As I said, this community convinced themselves of this, nothing to debate anymore other than participate on the stagnation of the game.

Edit because he edit after I posted my response:

@robihr

i care about new player having equal grounds to fight bac

For real man, no one believes this shit, we don’t need to try to convince anyone of this, take pride on dunking over newbies already.

[Myrm1don]

If its implemented well, I see the BR system as mainly positive.

• noobs will get dunked on with gear they have access to instead of gear they dont (thats still a big win for them)…mostly…Im sure BR spread will still be annoying.
• Old equipement will be more revisitable without having to consider using a mp28 vs PPSH-41 or BT-7/t60 vs King tiger
• vehicles will be the biggest winner.
• you can tailor your decks to avoid stuff you . Really hate p-47 spam? build your deck so you dont see it.

[robihr]

@Comunistinha

Same energy as: hey there is a hot metal rod I have to shove up my ass, I have the option to at least cool it down, but whatever, it doesn’t matter anyway.

As I said, this community convinced themselves of this, nothing to debate anymore other than participate on the stagnation of the game.

tell me one game that solved smurfing problem.

@Comunistinha

For real man, no one believes this shit, we don’t need to try to convince anyone of this, take pride on dunking over newbies already.

you do you, but i care about equipment equality. when i take out tiger and whole enemy team is full of newbies with stuarts, it just makes for a shit game for both me and newbies. yes dunking on newbies with tiger is fun first few times, but it gets boring easily. i hated grinding allies normandy cause axis normandy was full of veterans with tigers and there was simply no point in taking tanks with allies cause you know that you cant pen them when they are camping.

also it makes more builds viable without relying only on one end game meta and gives a reason for players to play older weapons that they never would play normally.

[Derekcreeperer]

This will be bad. The matchmaking is also used to place player into correct campaigns. However, if it is purely skill based, folks will not have any say in what they can play. I have seen other people express concern about the lacking of the ability to play the campaigns they want to play. This will worsen it.

[Comunistinha]

@robihr

tell me one game that solved smurfing problem.

As I said before, no need to solve, only discourage, but as it is with the BR system is the same as doing nothing. This mentality of not at least cooling the metal pipe before shoving it up the ass is asinine for me, or just hypocrite really.

@robihr

equipment equality

Again, if that’s what you say to yourself okay, but no need to try convincing anyone of this, any of us we the a boltie will fuck up a newbie whole squad of even SMGs if he wants, I did before, actually, all the time, we all do it all the time. I don’t judge if y’all just admitted that we are scared of facing the real sweatlords this game has and we like the comfort zone of facing average dudes on the other side.

Just the hypocrisy is really what bothers me.