Unfortunately a properly angled Tiger is immortal. All you can do is hope to hit his barrel 2-3 times before he obliterates you
As for Panther’s, well, they got all of about 2-3 pixels you gotta aim for to kill them while they got a feast of locations to shoot you in, and none of them are nearly as small
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I play BR4 - and I bring 2x Panther A and 1x Panther G.
Bringing Tiger in BR4 is pointless when Panther exists.
That being said, instead of Jumbo 76 being moved to BR4, I’d rather see Panther moved to BR5 and Tiger moved to BR4.
Tell me what are the advantages of Jumbo 76 over Tiger E.
Basically everything.
It doesn’t have to aim to penetrate tiger.
It is not as wide as tiger
It has better MG
It has better variety of ammo types.
Tiger has to aim for weak spots to destroy it.
Btw. Just because tiger has nearly 3 times the TnT fill of jumbo, it doesn’t means it’s 3 times the better.
What a coincidence you left those stats out. (I am on mobile now, so I can’t comfortably copy the stats. But everyone can check the data sheets)
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I would agree with all of this if you didnt try to decieve people by forgetting to mention that this is the Jumbo!
Jumbo definitely has no place on BR4.
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You forgot stabilizer.
Jumbo 76 is much nicer all round
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You’re absolutely right. I tend to underestimate that stabilizer a lot…
I’ve received a few good punishments because of it.
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BR compression go brrrrr. For example the kv-1 ZIS-5 and IV H are also br4, but is miles worse than the 76 jumbo. At the same time, the KT(H) is br5 but miles better than the 76 jumbo.
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I mean if you can’t kill a tiger/panther with a 76mm, I think that’s on you.
Jumbo76 can pen Tiger, Tiger cant.
However Panther can pen Jumbo76.
Well Tiger II H is pretty much a BR7 tank if you ask me.
Jumbo 76 specialises heavily in taking out enemy tanks and has armour good enough to fight most tanks reasonable for its level.
Its kind of like Jagdpanzer IVs, they can be used effectively at their BR, but generalist tanks perform better overall.
tiger 1 can front pen at knife fighting distance, but for grayzone camping no (unless the tiger 1 is up hill from it)
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I’d say just remove the jumbo 76 suggestion, it’s clearly controversial.
Besides that, I agree with everything.
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yea I really think they need to add a 6th BR. In BR5 there’s literally 0 reason to use weapons like the base is-2, is-1, KT(P) MKB, and fg-42 I since they’re just outclassed. Push stuff like the T20, KT(H), FG-42 II, and STGs up in BR so the slightly worse versions have a reason to exist.
Again, a properly angled Tiger is immortal. You can only tread and barrel it and hope that’s enough. You cannot go through the mantlet, and you cannot turret ring it
Panther is a similar state, but you have a chance with it by hitting those couple of pixels next to the mantlet, or get extremely lucky and pen the mantlet
What do these things need to do to kill the Jumbo? MG port, hit the tread if angled +2°, panther can pen the turret from the front
They’re simply not comparable. Period.
There’s no point in not aiming at MG weak spot at short distance.
It’s way more reliable and it’s nothing hard.
But if they are at such close. It’s very likely they’re both aware of each other.
And even then, jumbo have advantage.
If the tiger wants to use the angled hull effectively over such short distances, it has it much harder.
If he doesn’t angle enough, the jumbo will shoot at cheeks of its hull right into the ammo (OHK). And if he overdoes it, the jumbo can shoot through the area of front wheel and also blow up the Tiger in OHK.
While the jumbo doesn’t have to invent anything complicated. He just needs to angle very slightly and wiggle.
At that point, the Tiger has to hit the MG port. Trying to penetrate Jumbo’s turret is definitely not reliable enough.
Meanwhile, jumbo can effortlessly penetrate Tiger’s turret with its APCR, potentially damaging gun breach or killing commander/gunner. (=> leading up to significant advantage)
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Penning the panther mantlet isn’t luck lol, you just have to not shoot the backing plate. Same for the tiger, you can pen the recessed parts of the mantlet. I’ll attach and image when I get around to it but there’s consistent weakspot on both tanks.
Cant angle your turret- which basically also only has 100mm of armor
Tell that to how many rounds disappear into both German turrets. The only German tanks you can consistently pen from the front via the turret is the IV and lower