Here are the MGs (first pic is the same as before, but it is needed for this post):
And finally, have a great day of course
Remember, I only wanted to show you the foreign weapons used by the japanese and a few interesting pics. If you want more informations about guns made by the japanese, just ask.
I just noticed in the bibliography, the author used a book written by Duncan O. McCollum, and it’s Gun Jesus’dad, he even did a video with him 13 years ago. Seems like guns history is a family thing.
Here is the video if you are curious, being a 13 years old video, you can see that the quality is horrendous : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XESTQ_wQaWQ&lc=UghnpzbsIY-z4XgCoAEC
Some things that can be added to rifles section
1-Type 13 Murata (Single shot /could be fun GO weapon like Barden II)(Has bayonet)
Was used by some rear units during WW2
2-Type 18 Murata(Same as above)(Again single shot and it was again used by some rear units)
3-arisaka type 30(5round)(was used in ww2)(Has rifle and carbine variant)
4-Type 35 (5 round ) (same as above)
4-Murata shotguns (we here in forum think there is 1 variant but I did find 3 variant )(All are single shot)(All are same expect the stock placement it seems ,have to research some more)
5- Export variants of type 38 for Thailand (maybe as an event squad for Japan)( type 66 #1)(Type 83 #2)
The state of Siam (Thailand), an ally of Japan, purchased in 1924 rifles produced by the Koishikawa Arsenal in Tokyo. , which were full-size long infantry Arisaka type 38 for the 8mmX52P cartridge. In the amount of 50,000 units.
(#2)
(Couldn’t find a picture of type 83 the picture above is 83/88 which is model of 83 with different ammo so I assume 83 looks exactly same)
Later in 1940, these rifles were sent to the Kokura and Nagoya arsenals for re-barreling for the Japanese standard 6.5mmX50SR cartridge and were named type 83
6-Rifles type “Mo”
(MO type I)
(Mo type II)
(Mo type III)
The name comes from the spelling of the company name “Mauser” in hiragana characters “Mo-ze-ru”. Negotiations on the delivery of rifles began in 1937. The first contract was concluded on December 15, 1938 for the delivery of 20,000 Mauser Standard rifles (export), the second contract for another 20,000 from August 18, 1939 was only half fulfilled due to the blockade imposed by the Allies and 10,000 units were received. A total of 30,000 Mauser Standard rifles (export) were received, the remaining 10,000 unclaimed rifles went to Waffen SS units.
The Mo rifles do not have the German military department acceptance marks, nor do they have the Japanese navy marks. The stock was marked with the standard Mauser mark for exported products in the form of a “barrel” stamp with the manufacturer’s name, sometimes the stock may have an inscription in hieroglyphs painted in the arsenal. The receiver bears the factory code stamp S 42. After the capitulation of 1945, the bulk of the Mo rifles were surrendered at the Sasebo naval base.
The Japanese issued technical manuals (approximately in 1941-1942) which classified the Mo rifles into the following types: type I – “Standard model”; type II – “k98k”; type III – “VZ 24” and the Chinese copy “ Chiang Kai-shek”.
While type I remained mainly in naval supply, types II and III were for the army and were captured rifles obtained in battles with the Kuomintang on mainland China. All rifles used Mauser 7.92x57mm type 98 cartridges; the navy used Japanese-made cartridges for the type 1 aircraft machine gun, and the army used cartridges of Chinese (Manchurian) origin.
Yes, I know about the Type Mo meaning Mauser, I think the designation for the C96 pistol was also Type Mo pistol. The Type Su and Be were for “Steyr” and “Bergmann” respectively in japanese.
I will make some suggestions for japanese scout cars/light vehicles (basically japanese jeeps), because the japanese faction doesn’t have an equivalent ingame at the moment, and it would be more realistic to see the japanese get their own jeep. There are only 2 or 3 options basically, one very well known, and another less known option. Keep in mind that I have not included the staff cars, because these were generally reserved to officers, and were not really seen on the frontline.
Scout cars/light vehicles (jeep equivalents)
Kurogane Type 95
The most well-known of the two options, I think everybody here knows about it, here is a copy-paste of the “Versions” section of wikipedia:
"Some vehicles were modified in the field by front seat passengers opening the top hinged passenger side windshield up and using a light machine gun such as the Type 11 light machine gun, the Type 96 light machine gun, or the Type 99 light machine gun similar to a motorcycle sidecar. Because of its small size and weight, it was able to fit inside Japanese manufactured Kokusai Ku-8 airplane and deploying glider Airborne troops, specifically the Teishin gliding infantry regiment, and some cars also used an Autocannon machine gun.
There were several significant upgrades and design changes from the prototype to the final models build in 1944.
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1935 prototype: Engine displacement 1200cc; Body styles: roadster and enclosed 2-door sedan; Rectangular front grille allows airflow to cool the engine; No bumper; Body on chassis frame.
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Production type A: produced 1937-1938. Engine displacement 1300cc; 3-person roadster type; Oval grille; Bumper.
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Production type B: produced 1939-1943; Engine displacement 1400cc; 4-person Phaeton type; Production volume most models; Square grille.
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Four-door prototype: 4-door that has been only one trial in 1939 Phaeton type. Wheelbase has an extended door of the original 2-door type; it is supposed that it was water-cooled to increase durability and engine efficiency. Square grille.
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Production type C: produced in 1944; engine displacement 1400cc; air-cooled; 2-person pickup truck."
Here are the pics:
Toyota AK10
The less-known of the two options, it’s basically a japanese copy of the Jeep Willys, or to be more precise, a copy of the Bantam Mk.II. The japanese authorities even asked the designers for the car to have a different appearance! The japanese really hated to copy from others it seems: I read somewhere that the only possible explanation for why the japanese military had chosen to adopt the Nambu pistol, which had an inferior design to pretty much all the other foreign designs, is just a reason of national pride!
Anyway, here is a copy-paste of an article about that specific car:
“The little known Toyota AK10 is the predecessor to the Toyota Land Cruiser. In 1941 the Imperial Japanese Army occupied the Philippines, where they found an old Bantam Mk II, and promptly brought it to Japan. The Japanese military authorities commanded Toyota to make a similar vehicle but to not model the appearance on the American Jeep. The prototype was called the Model AK and was formally adopted by The Japanese Imperial Army as the Yon-Shiki Kogata Kamotsu-Sha ( type 4 compact cargo-truck ).
Later in 1941 the Japanese government asked Toyota to produce a light truck for the Japan military campaign. Toyota developed a 1/2 ton prototype called the AK10 in 1942. The AK10 was built using reverse-engineering from the Bantam GP. The truck featured an upright front grille, flat front wheel arches that angled down and back like the FJ40, headlights mounted above the wheel arches on either side of the radiator and a folding windshield.
The AK10 used the 2259 cc, 4-cylinder Type C engine from the Toyota Model AE sedan with a three-speed manual transmission and two-speed transfer gearbox connected to it. There is no mechanical relationship between the AK10 and the postwar Toyota “Jeep” BJ. Most of the AK10’s were not actively used (unlike the U.S. Jeep). Information via Wikipedia and IH8MUD.com”
Here are the pics, you can see the two different versions below:
SOURCES
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Here you can see the differences between the three models of Kurogane:
Type A
Type B
Type C
Source:
https://www.automobiles-japonaises.com/Kurogane/Type95/Kurogane_Type95.php
For this post, I am going to make suggestions of japanese motorcycles with sidecars, there will be three such vehicles, and also a tricycle. Thanks to Naohmcete for his topic on the subject. I will try to add some informations to what he has already posted on his topic, here: Once Again Japan Motorbikes for Pacific
Motorcycles with sidecars
“Rikuo” Type 97
The most well-known of all these suggestions, I think everyone interested in the subject knows about it. It was the most common motorcycle used by the japanese, used in a variety of tasks, and the sidecar could be fitted with a machine gun (there were many types of MGs fitted on these, so I won’t try to search every type of gun that was ever fitted on the sidecars, lol). What you must remember about this motorcycle is the fact that it was a two-wheel drive bike, this will be important for the next suggestion.
Pictures:
“Rikuo” Type 93
I said previously that the fact the Type 97 was a two-wheel drive would be important, and that is because its predecessor, the Type 93, was a one-wheel drive motorcycle, and its performance on rough terrain was deemed insufficient, so that’s why the japanese adopted the two-wheel drive Type 97, which was better on rough terrain. The missions of the Type 93 were pretty much the same as those of its successor, the Type 97, and its sidecar could also be fitted with a MG.
Pictures:
“Kurogane” Type 95
This time we are talking about the motorcycle, and not the scout car which had the same denomination. From what I can find, this bike was adopted AFTER the Type 97, because the production of the Rikuo company could not keep up fast enough with the orders made by the japanese military, so they ordered this motorcycle from another company to complement their Type 93 and 97 motorcycles. Information about this specific type of vehicle is very hard to find, because the plant producing these was located in Hiroshima. You can guess why informations are so scarce nowadays. It was apparently more used in the officer transport role, but some sidecars were fitted with MGs too it seems. It is hard to differentiate all these bikes from each other, because the Type 97 was basically just an upgraded Type 93, and the Type 95 was based on the Rikuo design, but it was just a bit bigger.
Pictures:
Picture of a restored one above
These are apparently Type 95 motorcycles with their sidecars armed with MGs
“Kurogane” Tricycles
The japanese military adopted the Kurogane tricycle as a small transport. It is not a motorcycle with a sidecar, so it wasn’t meant to be equipped with armament, but it still a suggestion idea. The japanese army apparently used all the models they could get their hands on, so there wasn’t a “standard model”. There were, maybe, at least, two models: a Model 1 (1941), and a Model 2 (1942). These military tricycles were all based on the civilian model called “New Era”.
Pictures:
Model 1 (or at least that’s what some sources say)
SOURCES (lots of them this time, lol)
https://www.automobiles-japonaises.com/Kurogane/3wheelers/Kurogane3wheelers.php
https://www.automobiles-japonaises.com/Kurogane/Kurogane.php
https://www.pon.waiwai-net.ne.jp/~m2589igo/cgi-bin/bunnkanrikugun5syaryourui.html
http://cb1100f.b10.coreserver.jp/collection2_z_17.html
http://ki43.on.coocan.jp/oversea/vlajidousha/vlajido.html
https://x.com/_Lily_Rain/status/1471936826462322688
http://nirinsi4.shop-pro.jp/?pid=57202959
https://www.lonesentry.com/articles/ttt/japanese-wwii-motor-vehicles-trucks.html
https://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/handbook-japanese-military/automotive-equipment.html
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Thanks in advance
Little tip in japanese: if you want to quickly differentiate some pictures of bikes, the numbers of the Types of motorcycles in japanese are written like this (don’t pay attention to the links):
93: 九 三
95: 九 五
97: 九 七
Also, a small post for Naohmcete, because he wanted to find more informations about the bikes in this picture:
One of the websites in the sources that I quoted describes the bikes like this:
“Harley JD 1200cc motorcycle with sidecar equipped with Type 3 heavy machine gun (Manchurian Incident)”
I don’t know if it is an exact information, but I know that Naohmcete wanted to find more informations about this pic.
The website also shows this “thing”:
Which is described as “Shishido Manufacturing “SSD off-road vehicle” (late model) 1933?”
The website in question (in my sources list): rikaigunnhakubutukantop
I have updated my list of semi-auto rifles with new pictures and new variants of the existing rifles, and I have also added the Kokura Arsenal rifle and the Hino Komuro M1897 in this list. I have removed my suggestion of a Type Hei late rifle in 7.7mm because the sources stating that fact are very unclear. I have also updated the list of sniper rifles by adding the Kokura Arsenal rifle in the list of rifles with a rail on the side for mounting a scope.
Huge thanks to DELAVR and SzepWaxweiler for their research. This update couldn’t have happened without their work. Feel free to check the topic of DELAVR on the japanese semi-auto rifles: All versions of Type Ko, Type Hei, Type Otsu rifles
“Type 100 prototypes”
I call these guns that way for the sake of simplification, but basically these guns are the different prototype SMGs that lead to the Type 100 SMG that we all know. There aren’t much differences between them, apart from the fire rate. They were all chambered in 8mm Nambu, and all had a 30 round mag. They could be good additions as battlepass/event/premium squad weapons, because I don’t think they would bring much to the regular tree, but that’s just my opinion.
Model 3 prototype
The first prototype of what would become the Type 100 SMG later. It had a rate of fire of 530 rpm.
Model 3 A
Not much visual differences with the previous weapon, the only big difference is the rate of fire, which was increased to 755 rpm. The front sight was also moved at the end of the barrel.
Model 3 B
Basically the finished product, there aren’t much differences between this gun and the regular Type 100 SMG. It retained the 755 rpm, but the rate of fire was lowered to 700 rpm for the production of the Type 100, making the rate of fire of the Type 100 early ingame incorrect.
Important notes:
-The rate of fire of the Type 100 early ingame is incorrect, it should be 700 rpm, thanks to the informations of Killerwolf1024.
-Some Type 100 were fitted with a bipod, not all of them, maybe the devs could update the Type 100 early model to include it ? Or make it a new weapon while making weapons with bipods better while mounted on the ground/on a wall ?
Pictures
From top to bottom: Model 3 prototype, Model 3 A, Model 3 B.
From top to bottom: Model 3 prototype, Model 3 B Model 3 A.
Type 100 early with bipod.
Rate of fire for each gun
Huge thanks to DELAVR for his pictures and informations. And also, go check out the topic of Killerwolf1024 for all the informations about the Type 100 early rate of fire, with all the sources needed to back up his claims, right here: Type 100 early correct rate of fire
Please change that to 700 as thats the actual number of the Type 100. 755 is the RoF of the Model 3A & B.
Corrected. Sorry for the mistake.
Early japanese LMGs/Type 11 prototypes
This post will have the same principle as the previous one about the Type 100 SMG prototypes: I will suggest prototypes of LMGs that would be good additions as battlepass/event/premium squad weapons, because they would be very similar to the Type 11 we already have ingame.
Here is a list of all the LMG prototypes that lead to the adoption of the Type 11 MG:
For each suggestion, I will designate which one I am talking about in this list. I am not 100% sure, so feel free to point out any mistake that I could make.
For the stats of the weapons, unless I say otherwise, and because I don’t want to repeat myself, they all have a rate of fire of 500 rounds per minute, were all chambered in 6.5mm, and were all fed by a 30 round feed strip. It is because the Type 11 LMG was basically a lighter version of the Type 3 MG.
Mk. A/B/C Experimental LMGs
The second of the list, there seems to be three variants of this one, but I don’t know which one is the A, B or C. There are only minor differences between these three it seems.
Pictures:
Barrel shroud Type LMG
Very likely the third on the list, because there is no other LMG with a barrel shroud that is fed with feed strips.
Pictures:
Barrel shroud-less Type LMG
I don’t know whether it is the fourth or the fifth on the list, but the only big difference between them is the weight: the fifth is 1kg lighter than the fourth, so it wouldn’t make a big difference if it is implemented in the game. You can see the difference with the Mk A/B/C on the buttstock and the barrel: on this one, the stock looks more like the one of the regular Type 11, and the barrel is shorter.
Picture:
Mk. A LMG
Very likely the sixth one on the list, because no other experimental LMG based on the Type 3 MG has a Lewis-type rotating magazine on top of the receiver. And because this one has a Lewis-type mag, it might have a 47 round capacity magazine, but it is not clearly specified. I included this prototype in this list, because I think that the Type 92 LMG should be in the regular tree first, the only big difference between this experimental LMG and the Type 92 is the rate of fire: the experimental one keeps the 500 rpm (as I said at the beginning of this post), but the Type 92 has a 600 rpm rate of fire.
Picture:
Type 11 LMG with experimental box magazine
The last suggestion of this post. This weapon is not in the list, because it is a regular Type 11 LMG with an experimental 35 round magazine that was developed in 1928, so after the official adoption of the Type 11 LMG, which is the eighth and final weapon on the list by the way, so you can understand why this suggestion is not on the list at the beginning of this post.
Picture:
As always, huge thanks to DELAVR and aizenns for their pics, and Killerwolf1024 for his list with the translation.
Go check their topics/posts that I linked in the first post of this topic.
Another useful tip in japanese designations translations:
Ko=A
Otsu=B
Hei=C
Tei=D
式 - Shiki - Type
型 - Kata/Gata - Model
号 - Gou/Gō - Mark
甲 - Kō - A - First
乙 - Otsu - B - Second
丙 - Hei - C - Third
丁 - Tei - D - Fourth
戊 - Bo - E - Fifth
Thanks. I wasn’t sure about Bo (E) because I had only seen this designation once, and could not remember where it was, so I chose to not include it because I wasn’t sure. Seems it was legit after all.
I have edited my posts about bolt-action rifles, SMGs, LMGs, and AT weapons. I have added new suggestions and pictures for some guns I already suggested. Huge thanks to DELAVR for his pictures of the experimental Muratas loaded via stripper clips. I took some suggestions of already existing topics and found some pics on the internet too. The topics/posts in question are mentioned in my first post, but they were made by DELAVR, Killerwolf1024, aizenns, go check their topics/posts!
I found the pics about the “normal” Muratas on this website, go check it out, it is the most complete website about these rifles that I have found ! Link: https://www.militaryrifles.com/japan/murata22
As always, your likes give more visibility to these posts, so, thanks in advance !