Type 96 and bar m1918 should lowered to br2

I didn’t say that.

Perhaps instead of lowering the 96 lmg, instead let the type 97 remove it’s scope to be more usable as a traditional lmg:

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Put the base BAR1918 in level two, and change the RPK1943 to 25 rounds and put it in the Soviet level two tech tree. I love the RPK and I think that would be a fair trade off, even though both factions don’t fight each other. :sweat_smile:

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Which is the same as saying that they are the best and sitting among of Soviet/American/Japanese smgs

The best is very different from one of the best. If you want to know what the best SMG is, look to Japan.

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Well, they brought up the MG13 buff issue, that’s why I said it.

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I have five total machine gunners in my level two Soviet lineup, four use the RPK and the fifth the Madsen. The Madsen is the second MG on my APC, however I don’t always use an APC. If DF added the RPK to TT I would consider dropping down one of my machine gun squads and adding three RPK’s to it.

As far as the MP 13, I do also play a lot of German, and it could use a little lessening of the horizontal recoil.

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What I would do with level two MG’s? Not that anyone cares, but lets pretend you all do. :yum:

  1. Drop the base level BAR 1918 as it is to level two. I personally think it’s fine as is for level two.
  2. Add a 25 round magazine to the RPK1943 and add it to the level two Soviet TT.
  3. Reduce the horizontal recoil of the MG13.

This IMOP would improve the level two MG’s for all factions. The only level two MG I like for Japan is the Hotchkiss 1922, it should be TT.

My apologies. Type 2a and SIG 1920 are solid SMGs, I will admit. But based on raw stats alone (not individual user skill with a weapon), the recent Soviet and Allied additions to the tech tree are just disgusting. Had they been ever so slightly buffed and moved to BR III, there would be no issue.

No.

You guys really need to stop trying to put the BAR in BR2. Its such a good weapon, stop trying to ruin it.

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as both get the proper nerfs and adjust for make them viable in br 2, I don’t say no

There is 3 tech tree bars so you can have your br 3 bar and br2 bar

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Type 96 is in a good spot atm, it doesn’t need any changes
BAR would need a massive nerf, but i’m always against it, since it would turn the gun into a reskinned MG13, rather than what it’s known for (fast ads speed low dispersion/movement penalty)

Many of those ‘lucky’ to carry a 1918A2 described the experience similar to how MG13 or BREN work in game - heavy, unwieldy and slow to turn around. Some ditched a bit of extra weight by removing the bipod, turning their guns back to WW1 M1918 version.
BREN Mk I has less weight ingame compared to B.A.R 1918A2 btw.

Maybe it’s A1 or A2 versions of B.A.R. that could be nerfed to BREN/MG13 levels and put to BR2.

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Horizontal + visual recoil as that 2nd recoil is just dreadful as gun bounces around too much if you don’t burst fire and also moving spread decreased by 50%, ads speed could also get buffed a bit as it can’t compete vs SMGs as they can aim instantly. Hell even much heavier AT rifles can aim very quick

Rest should be the same as it needs some cons like slower sprint speed and mediocre hip fire accuracy.

If it has to be nerfed I think this gun should be moved to BR2 as it’s medium rate of fire,and low magazine,just like MG13.BTW Johnson LMG should
be moved to BR 3,for it’s high rate of fire but low magazine.The Germans have MG34 in BR 3(high ROF and 50rounds magazine).The current BAR is already too weak to face it.I can’t image how it will be nerfed and keep in BR3.

Are we going to overlook the weapon stacking that they just added at BR3 where Americans can have 2x rifles with 18 rounds total.
Do you want to do the same with A2 + Johnson lmg? A2 is already more powerful than MG34
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They use separate ammo so you will spawn with 200 rounds.

That’s a lie only first bar is weak while M1918A2 is much stronger as it’s much more accurate due lower dispersion and horizontal recoil + visual recoil which you can lower even more with perk, has amazing hip fire accuracy, and you can sprint with barely any sprint penalty.

With Americans having two 20 round MGs it will make MG34 the joke of a LMG unless you want to bring MG42 to BR3.

You people need to start looking at the hidden starts first before theory crafting you have the completely wrong and biased world view.

So why don’t I just equip a large ammo pouch?

Because 18 ammo is better than just 10 or 8 rounds. Switching to another weapon is much faster than just reloading. For smgs and ARs it doesn’t matter as they reload quickly but for semis it’s crucial to be able to have more rounds to shoot at the enemies that come at you.