Type 96 and bar m1918 should lowered to br2

I think the br of the type 96 and the bar m1918 is too high and both should be lowered to br2. Here is my argument:

The type 96 and bar1918 stats are quite similar to that of the besal (not including hidden stats like aim speed or dispersion:

type 96 and Bar stats

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besal stats

So the main bulk of the stats of the type 96 and Bar are quite comparable to br2 mgs, except the run speed and aim speed.

So I suggest:

•lower the type 96 and BAR m1918 to br 2, but nerf both of their reload times to about 3 secs and lower both their sprint speeds to 50 to be consistent with all br2 mgs, lastly increase the bar m1918 ads and increase recoil of both guns.

•with the previously mentioned nerds I think both would fit comfortably in br 2

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First nerf it and then buff MG13 as it’s pretty bad despite what people are gossiping

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Sure that’s sounds fair, as long as the BAR is in br2

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Type96 is extremely overpowered after recent buff it has same accuracy and comfortable recoil as STG44/AS-44. I may even consider it the best BR3 lmg only sprint debuff and stupid obscuring mag is hurting it badly.

Besal feels underpowered with it’s bad recoil, and Charltron is just unplayable with it’s extremely wild recoil it’s like someone kicking your soldier in a balls every 3rd shot.

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Type 96 is superior to Type 99 except for rof.

There’s no need to make BR2. Literally none.

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The first BAR in TT can go to BR 2 with some stats adjusted. I want to have some BR 2 USA MG squad line up.

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And what will the Soviet Union get?

You know you are pushing for powercreep once this question appears.

All factions must be considered, if according to their proposal, America is to receive BAR and Japan Type 98, and MG13 take buff, it is not fair to leave the Soviets with Madsen.

That wasn’t targeted towards you.

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Middle finger as they have overpowered smgs, rifles, tanks and planes they don’t need to be the best in everything.

Actually they could get actual historical Fedorov MG with 400rpm and much better accuracy than Madsen

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Oh, English is not my first language, so I might be wrong a lot of the time…
thanks for the clarification.

I’m willing to let the type 96 stay br3 but the first version of the bar ought to be nerfed until it can fit into br2

Germany has some really good tanks there, the planes are great, there are some good rifles, the sniper is awesome! After the update they now have one of the best SMGs in the BR2. Also, the MG 13 is really good, the AT aren’t bad either, they’re very unique. The only place they are weak is in semi automatic weapons. (Which doesn’t matter to me, I prefer bolt action weapons to low mag semi automatics)

BAR 1918 can easily be lowered to BR2. As currently there are 3 meaningless variants of the weapon on BR3 that doesn’t provide anything unique or have any meaningful tradeoffs between each other. They’re always just upgrade to previous one.

Just nerf it to point it’s comparable to Lahti or RPK stat-wise.


But there’s literally no need to nerf and lower Type 96. It stands perfectly fine as it is.
Either you prefer BR3 MG with high fire rate but numerous disadvantages (Type 99), fairly balanced BR3 MG (Type 96) witth very decent recoil/rof combination, or BAR-like MG (KE7).

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None are as good as T-28E

Soviet having monopoly in the air there + rocket + bomb spam is USSR main attraction while their fighter can easily wipe out German planes

only VG2 is good rest is worse than Soviets Winchester and new Fedorov

I don’t really care for snipers for any other nation than Americans as they have amazing Enfield

what are you smoking? M38/42 is only good but nowhere near as overpowered as PPS-42/43/Uragan and M1A1 or Type 2a Germany is so far behind in smgs power that they are pretty much playing BR1 weapons at BR2 while your enemies are all having BR3 smgs

it’s fine but nothing great i took them out from my lineup as it’s visual recoil is too strong to have fun it’s also too slow with sprint speed, smgs and rifles are just straight up better in most situations

sturmpistole is definitely very unique with it’s 6sec reload time :sleeping_bed: :zzz: :rofl:

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If it weren’t for the M1A1 Thompson existing in BR II and the Uragan and PPS 43 I would agree. But compared to those 3 it’s a joke.

The MG 13 is my favourite BR II MG to use, and I bring all MG’s in Germany (the only faction I do). It’s somehow satisfying, especially when ripping Soviets with body armour and PPSHs in half with an MG 34.

If we’re talking BR II, I find the Armaguerra to be on par. The Type Otsu is arguably the worst, as the sights are plain awful. If we’re talking BR III however, yes. The Gewehr 41 is the worst semi auto, period, maybe next to the Type 4. The two stripper clip reload (which is somehow slower than a Lee Enfield) puts it way behind the M1 Garand and SVT 38. Not to mention, recoil and dispersion is substantially worse than the above two, with the SVT 38 being the best.

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Look who’s saying this.

Explain to me why do you think German smgs at BR2 are “best SMGs in the BR2”. Which one are “the best” and why do you think that?

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Please don’t interrupt me, I said one of the best, not the best. And don’t look to the Soviet Union or America for the best SMG, look to Japan.

zero recoil gun?
Well I was talking about BR2, and about BR3 yes they need a serious buff.