Oh yea, i see what you mean now, the sks round is indeed “thinner”.
didn’t notice
Jumbo has same situation for late game tank for Panzer IV H. Panzer IV j is only starter Tank! its not as worst as normandy.
Grinding to level 12 is easy. I already see many high level german players.
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This is 100% not true, i killed more panzer IV J easily in Jumbo than in T-34. Jumbo u only die if u get hit from MG port else you feel u are final boss in game. T-34 i die many times to panzer IV J compared to Jumbo. Jumbo have 120+mm armor
why should i.
i don’t have enough time for be somewhat active on both networks?
I don’t know why people hit harping on this. Slope is not some magic bounce all. You can have a 45 degree slope that never bounces a single round and a 5 degree slope that bounces every round. Slope increases the amount of armor in that area. However if you have enough penetration or a much bigger round at near penetration it still will penetration. People currently don’t understand basic ballistics.
Also why is that german tank firing APCBC? Germans never used APCBC unless they were using caputred guns/tanks. Is thats supposed to be tungstun rounds, aka AP40?
I’ve run into 1 T-50 and it was unkillable by my p3. I’m not sure if the p4 which while having a 75mm can kill it as its penetration is very similar to the 37mm on the p3. The p3j should kill it but its clearly OP. The T-50 really destroys any type of balance in the moscow maps.
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i apologize for my late answer.
got stuff to do.
back to us,
that’s some interestring factor.
which i don’t… really mind/care.
because we are talking about a game.
yes, i know, and i’m somewhat sorry to cheesy off with this ““exscuse”” but that’s the fact.
enlisted, it’s meant to be realistic. not simulator.
and therefore for gameplay aspects ( taken from war thunder, which we all know that war thunder it’s not real life at all ) but since it comes from there, we have to do adapt.
and after all, the system it’s not that bad since it’s one of the actually few out there. and devs will never change that… they just tweak. not remake from 0.
and this is the main point.
in some scenario, it’s no fun getting 1 tapped, in berlin, looks like the daily.
and i can’t say much beside the fact that nontheless the PZ IV J IS capable to PEN T34s.
so often i see people complaining about, when for how much you don’t like " sniping " gameplay, you don’t have alot of other choises.
i somewhat get your point, but not everyone likes it.
no one does that?
n-no…
it works differently for tanks. and " better " it’s openly debatable.
n-no.
i feel like you are degenerating for no reason.
because tiger 1s are not = is2.
is2 are not worse than panther,
and panthers are not equal to pershings.
which the pershing it’s not even close to be a firefly.
[ the list could go on… ]
yes, and no.
i’m not sure continuing this discussion will bring anything usefull related to enlisted i’m afraid.
it goes alot further than tank vs tank situations.
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you mean, grab a pz iv ( somewhere ) and try to destroy jumbos somewhere as well?
not sure that’s a possibility quite frankly.
beside the fact that i probably don’t have enough force to use the pz IV J to begin with. ( 'cause that one has still manual turett rotation ), second of all, i think i’ll get arrested for even breaking into a museum and try to drive that thing off without actual manuals.
but surely an interestring adventure for another life.
jokes aside,
couln’t agree more.
something that you don’t see many people considering that nowdays.
the reason why everyone " harp " on the sloped effect, it’s because in war thunder and enlisted means everything.
just to make an example, yesterday i was playing with a friend over customs in war thunder, my mate had a a stuH and somehow my halftruck with just 8 mm of sloped rear managed to make that shell bounce off ( around 100 meters ).
same happened in enlisted where the m5s or even pumas, despite their light armor they could just bounce shells left and right.
the only “way” to kill something, it’s through weakspots.
that’s how both games are designed.
unfortunately, it is. and you can only understand this factor when actually happens to you.
theorically, yes,
pratically, no.
no clue.
it’s not realistic.
but i guess to have more penetration.
this is literally by comparing the penetration power of their guns according to real life statistics.
I am not saying Tiger I = IS 2
but what I am saying is penetration power of “8.8 cm KwK 36 = D25-T 122mm”
If you try to read my stuff, youll find out that im only comparing “guns” not “tanks”
you can’t strictly compare guns as those are differents from each nation.
and once again, quite pointless considering that the devs took others examples. and quite far from actual reality.
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Yeah, I agree, T-50 is very OP in Moscow. I almost don’t play it, because I just plow thru the enemies lol Keep the distance, and hide from planes, and it’s like non-stop pwn.
why cant you compare different guns by penetration power, because they are from a different nation? I dont understand your argument here ?
I agree with you that gameplay>realism, however the gameplay balance would stay the same if the devs would look closer to historical realism.
You just cant let a panzer III fight a T34 without either having bad balance or unrealistic behaving tanks. And thats why you just dont let these 2 tanks fight each other and pick tanks that have a better balance. Thats the logic I am talking about.
Now in the case of the T34-85 vs Panzer IV J, BOTH wrongs are being done, meaning that the T34-85 is unbalanced vs the Panzer IV J AS WELL AS unrealistically better than it was in real life. And besides russian bias I can not explain why this was done.
Good point, discussing technicalities is pointless, devs are doing it their way, not copying technical specs. It probably should be question of balance, and fun. Real world tech specs in video games really don’t apply that well.
Like all we get is small 2D computer screen, for field of view. Etc etc.
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it’s simple, there are alot more factors that i personally don’t know, because i don’t play war thunder that muchh, nor tanks at all( i mean, i kinda do, but just once per match ).
which it’s somewhat simplified by the game as i just have to aim for for those weakspots.
and i can somewhat assure my victory.
has to do with also shells types, and many others factors that as i already said, i don’t know.
i didn’t made this game, and i’m not a ww2 tanker or anything like that for sure.
mh, i don’t think so.
alot of things would change, and as you correctly said, tanks would be much easier to pen. which in enlisted it’s not the case due to bad modeling damage, and system of volumetric armor & shells system implemented in the game it self.
that was the alpha, than they luckely realized that it was going to be a shitshow for the germans as they didn’t had many things to counter those.
and that’s why you don’t see t34s.
otherwise, it would be un fun.
just take a look at the BA-11s and t50s.
none of them were actually there at moscow. but for content and “”“realism”"" where everything could have happened ( said from the devs ) are there. but if you ask to german players, ( and also @19945606 who admitted that the t50 is stronger ) something similar to the jumbo, it’s no fun.
so, it’s hard to follow a " path " of realism or/and historical.
nothing to discuss there.
but, we were discussin about the PZ IV J against T34.
imo, it’s actually balanced. like, both can pen each other. i don’t see why all the fussies.
i guess we have different opinions
( which it’s totally fine ).
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I fixed that for you.
The game is not realistic as such slope is supposed to be “balanced”. Hence they need to make some adjustment to balance either to make it more realistic or more balanced.
I’ve never played war thunder, I’ve seen tons of video on it and its damage modals are chessy and as borderline unrealistic as COD or MOH.
Also more to the point they need to balanced the p4j vs the t-34 because realism plays no factor. Their both tier 1 starter tanks they should both play like tier 1 starter tanks. Or at least be somewhat balanced like in moscow where the t-60 v p2 is 1 sided but the p2 can kill frontally both the t-26 and bt-7. While not directly balanced to does have an overall balanced. Through the T-60 could use some nerfs as the p3 should frontally kill it easily.
Well tungstan rounds do have more penetration… alot in fact not sure a jumbo can take a 75mm long barrel tungstan round frontally. Native german tanks used a simple naming scheme for tank ammo. Primary ammo was listed as PzGr. 39 which is the standard APHE round, PzGr. 40 which was a solid shot tungstan AP round. They were rare even during the early parts of the war. Further AP40 round should gut basically everything. They have roughly 2x the penetration of standard APHE or allied AP/APC/APCBC rounds. A vanilla sherman can frontally kill a tiger 1 with a tungstan round at 600m+ off the top of my head.
If a panzer 4 long barrel is firing tungstan rounds it should gut basically anything at any angle at any range.
This could explain some of the issues. If they modeled tungstan rounds but then nerf them hard so they don’t penetrate they would be solid shot. Thus explaining why t-34s aren’t popping because its a solid shot(with nerf penetration) vs a normal APHE. While ingame the p4j AP round do “explode”. I don’t think I’ve ever killed infantry with near misses with them. So could be purely visual effect.
what led me to stop playing enlisted is the disparity of the chariots in the battle of berlin !!
I reach 12 level to get a panther that is often destroyed by a t34 on the first shot. if it is not destroyed it will disable the turret.
NOW IN THE REAL WORLD THIS WOULD NEVER SUCCESS !!!
I CAN HIT A T34 AND I DO NOT GET MORE THAN THE DEATH OF THE CREW SOMETIMES IT TAKES 3/4 SHOTS TO MAKE IT JUMP, ABSURD !!
EVEN AIMING AT THE RING BETWEEN CARRIAGE AND TURRET OR AIMING AT THE BASE OF THE CANNON, DIAYRUGGING A T34 AT THE FIRST SHOT IS POSSIBLE 1 TIME IN 10.
THEN LET’S NOT TALK ABOUT PANZER IV IN THAT CASE THE COMPARISON IS TOUGH.
DEVELOPERS SHOULD HAVE THE GOOD TASTE TO MAKE THE PANTHER GET THE PERFORMANCE IT HAS IN THE REAL WORLD!
SHAMEFUL
Ehm Play another campaign then I guess…