You probably never played on Normandy then. Vs the Jumbo only the MG Port can be penned or else you will need to Flank the Jumbo to kill it as the Panzer IV H (The Last Unlock Tank for German)
Yet T-34 is entirely possible to die from being shot from the Front by Panzer IV J, which I died to it numerous times and it requires a very high skill Cap
Tank balance is way better than in Normandy where Jumbo always one shot Pumas, and any 75MM shell on HE will also one shot any Panzer IV J and H from the side.
And once you unlock the Panther tank, Germans will start to have the advantage, and its rating is higher than the T-34 in Warthunder
Panzer IV J does exist in Berlin and it shows Germans has to use everything up their disposal to defend their homeland and many wrekcs of Panzer IV J were found on Berlin
I have Jumbo tank on Normandy, I feel much stronger vs Panzer IV H as a Jumbo abuser, than on Berlin. Where you actually do get killed in Berlin as opposed to Normandy. I kill Panzer IV J and H very easy, one shot to side with HE and they blow up big time
I know about Jumbo complains. What i want to point out is, Jumbo situation is much worst than in Berlin. Most Allies players from Moscow / Normandy swich to Axis on Berlin so they never see the truth
And Panther tank vs T-34 is not that unbalanced, in fact the Panther is better than the starter T-34. Meaning on Berlin as a German Main, you actually stands a chance and is not much in a disadvantage, compared to Normandy
Panther A the premium is also better than leased Sherman, which it dies very easily to Panzer IV J (Similar to Panzer IV J power level), so if they replace Panzer IV J with another panther variant, Sherman will be GG. 2 shots from Panzer IV J Sherman always dies
I know i show Jumbo stats to on topic of Normandy being worst than Berlin. Sherman on Berlin isn’t that of a powerhouse and is worst compared to the Panther Premium. And will dies to Panzer IV J in 2 shots, (Whoever shoots first generally wins).
Panther A Tank is all around good and still stands a chance against T-34 and allows you to skip grind easily, I uses it to level and the MG is very good and better than the T-34 in mowing down Infantry
Well, Sherman is better only in the caliber of a machine gun and in reloading, apparently a panther A against this Sherman, it’s like t34 against pz4
the Pz 4 is really much inferior to the t34, because the maps in Berlin are a corridor for tanks and therefore there is no way to get on board the t34.
ps4 it is necessary to somehow increase the survivability, but quite often the t34 does not break anything through the pz4,but quite too often the t34 destroys the pz 4 with a shot.
All I am saying is that you shouldn’t have to aim for weakspots because the Panzer IV had no need to do that in the real world, both tanks would knock each other out just going for center mass.
I can understand that there are ppl from warthunder that like this kinda “view port sniping” gameplay, but for me its just unrealistic, its like saying you can survive 10 rounds in the chest while a headshot will kill you right away.
Also I was also against the Jumbo from the start, adding that tank makes zero sense to me because:
it never saw combat in Normandy
-it was designed to withstand hits from the Tiger tank, in order to push through the enemy lines, but if you check its gun, you’ll see that it would rely on other units to actually destroy said enemy tank = bad gameplay, cuz you cant kill while the enemy cant kill as well.
-It is fighting against a Panzer IV
-the devs could have just given us a sherman with the 76mm gun, because that would turn the sherman into a tank that had a gun like the Panzer IV.
Panzer IV H, Sherman 76, T34-85 → these three tanks had one important thing in common: all could penetrate each other with ease, meaning they are naturally balanced
Sadly, if folks are going to use the abysmally flawed BR reference from WT, then we’re on a road to nowhere. There are so many things wrong with that system that it would take a thread of its own to list them. Sufficed to say its an absolute gameism further exascerbated by dodgy damage/performance modelling of vehicles and ammuniton, the attribution of characteristics or capabilities to vehicles which never had them and mixing design periods of the aforementioned functionally misrepresented vehicles.
Furthermore, since so many ppl are intellectually challenged by the word realism - since they seem to somehow conflate it with simulation within a game context, I will replace it with authenticity.
So, from a historically “authentic” perspective there is an imbalance in the vehicle types/variants alone, and that’s before we get into the actual damage models and other inconsistencies.
In the Normandy Campaign the PzIV and the Puma are authentic representatives, as is the Sherman M4 75mm, the M24 and Jumbo are not.
In the Fall of Berlin Campaign the PzIVJ and T-34/85 are authentic and so the balance has to be found in correctly implementing damage models where the PzIVJ’s KwK75L48 is more than adequate to OHK the T-34/85.
Similarly, the T-34/85 doesn’t have any issues with the Panther A, or G, which it should have if it happens to hit the UFP or the upper parts of the mantlet. However, ballistics are clearly undercooked atm, and so as the game models improve we should begin to hopefully see some semblance of “authenticity” return to the penetration and performance parameters of the ammunition, as well as the “clean up” of line ups into what was authentically available for the given units which the Devs selected to be representative of the respective nations in the Campaign.
As a priority the Jumbo needs to be replaced with the Sherman M4 105, and the M24 with the M10 GMC. Similarly the German PzIII premium needs to be punted and replaced with a Premium Panther A, which was the most common variant in theatre at the time.
again, you can be 1 tapped because the t34 has a bigger gun.
which makes totally sense.
on the other hand, since the t34 it’s more sloped, you have to aim for weakspots.
and therefore kill it as well.
a good tip that increase your survivability is to angle your pz iv.
that way he will most likely bounce. but if he pens, he won’t kill you right away.
( helped to me… which i wouldn’t relay in engage it face to face. but if there are no other options, than angle it ).
i’m quite sure tank had to aim in real life. not like, just shoot and pray.
especially against sloped vehicles.
not to mention, the t34-85 has:
weather the pz IV J:
so there aren’t really any comparison to do.
nontheless, with the gun that the pz iv has, you can still pen them.
it’s not crazy like normandy where even if you aim for weakspots, you will not go through.
