This will fix 90 % of vehicle balance issues

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StuG III A should be BR1 ( has same armor as Panzer III J but no turret or MG)

StuG III F should be BR2 ( has the same armor as Panzer III J but again no turret or MG)

Dicker Max should be BR3 ( has worse armor than Panzer III J and no turret or MG)

Jagdpanzer IV/L70 should be BR4 ( has same armor as Panther but no turret weak spot cuz having no turret)

Tiger E should be BR4 ( has worse armor and penetration than Panther)

SU-76M should be BR2 ( has no armor or MG)

SU 85M should be removed and replaced with regular SU 85 with less armor and then be put into BR3

IS 1 should be BR 4 ( useless in BR5)

IS 2 should be BR 4 ( same armor as Panther but overall somewhat worse gun )

SU 100 should be BR 4 ( no MG no turret )

M10 GMC should be BR 3 ( no coax MG and overall comparable to regular Sherman)

M18 GMC should be BR 3 ( no armor at all )

M4A2 (76) W should be BR 4 ( practically the same vehicle as M4A1 (76) W)

Sherman IC Firefly should be BR 4 ( performs the same as 76mm Shermans)

Chi-Nu should be BR 3 ( has the same armor as Panzer III J)

Na-To should be BR 3 ( has no armor no turret and no MG)

+future possible vehicles:

M36 Jackson → BR4
Pershing → BR5
Comet → BR4
Churchill VII → BR4
Churchill VII AVRE → BR5

Stug III G → BR3 ( has a coax MG)
Brumbär → BR4 ( rather strong armor and 150mm HE canon )
Ferdinant → BR5 ( stronger total armor than Tiger II H but very obvious weakspot, also no MG )
Sd.Kfz 222 → BR1
Marder III → BR2

KV 2 → BR 3 ( same armor as KV 1, but very long reload but great HE gun)
SU-122 → BR 2
ISU 152 → BR 5 ( hopefully good functioning HE )
IS 3 → BR 5 ( soviets need something to compete with Tiger II H)

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Not in this game :sweat_smile:

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Nor does it have any MG at all, plus it already BR3

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Stug 3 g is an premium. It has sideskirts

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They could also just put weapons in the years and battles they belong in. There is a novel thought. :roll_eyes:

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pz2c/t60 would like to have a word :stuck_out_tongue:

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I like almost everything, but I can’t quite see the IS-3, unless they start putting in Cold War weapons.

Maybe improve the reload time of the IS2?

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I disagree with a small part of it

short 75 MM’s anti-infantry capabilities are worth BR2

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Dicker max should be in Br3 as same as m4a1(105) and 12釐（120）

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Not the one we have in the game indeed - but I am specifically talking about late war Stug III G with that roundish gun mantlet - the premium one with that flat triangle shaped mantlet has no coax, as how I understand it is actually historically correct.

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I mean HEAT is overkill in BR1, and since early Stugs are supposed to be infantry support vehicles, so I would trade HEAT for HE, fits the vehicle much better

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Yes, but at the same time BR2 Panzer III N has sideskirts, a turret, is very mobile, has much more ammo available, has better armor, a turret, a coax MG and a top mounted MG.

That Stug is completely pointless in BR2.

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It has a nickname “pignose”
(guess why)
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Look, you can even see the hole from the coax right? Either that or its some periscope.

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Actually, maybe a BR4 Stug that has the coax AND a shielded MG could make sense, in the end 80mm of armor without that nasty Panzer IV weak spot could make sense.

But then again, overall I think BR wise Tanks without turret or open top should be ranked lower than their regular general purpose tank counterparts, its all a trade off - you trade in your anti infantry power, or general flexibility for more armor or a better gun.

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Bigger maps will solve it

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Well, warthunder has bigger maps, and even there SPGs are ranked at a lower overall BR compared to its regular tank counterparts.

Actually especially in Enlisted this type of balance is even more needed than in warthunder, because in warthunder there isn’t anti infantry play.

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you mean like they did before the merge its almost like the devs got it right the first time before gijin forced it to be war thunder with troops

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danganronpa-facepalm
That joke won’t solve anything.
IS-3 has the same gun as the IS-2 with longer reload.
IS-3 would just destroy the last tiny bit of historical accuracy this game still has.

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Well, but at least it has stronger armor than IS2, also real question, how much slower can it even be at that point when its using the same gun? Terrible + 2 seconds isn’t gonna make it much worse.

How is it in warthunder, is it really that bad?