Well the elimination of the academy was good, literally almost nobody used it and it was very tedious, however, now the soldiers can be improved with bronze orders, the truth is very good but what is the inconvenience that the silver orders for troops is not that they give them to us in large quantities, at most they are 1-3 and that is very rare, really the elimination of the random delivery of soldiers by means of bronze orders was a hard blow.
That is why I propose to return the delivery of random soldiers through the bronze orders but on the condition that they only give us level 1 soldiers, I think it would be quite fair, since with that we would not have the shortage of silver orders from troops and new players and in general we can all arm our army in a simpler way.
Only level one soldiers, and only ever one per order. I’d think they’d find that reasonable.
agree, only allow us to buy the regular troop with bronze order is fine too.
or any other idea as long as new player can fill their squad.
Too good to be true. Consider that this economy will not work. It takes me five seconds to figure that out.
I get 10-20 bronze cards per match. That’s 10-20, soldiers for me. Plus they promised to give bronze for sending them to reserve. At least 1 bronze. Free soldiers?
That’s not going to work.
It would be easier to make the option of paying a soldier in silver. 5-7 bronze to buy a 1st tier soldier, 11-13 for 2nd tier, 17-20 for 3rd
Wow, really?, besides that, i doubt that you need any new soldiers 
, where as new player do, and no way they get that many bronze in one game, neither do i btw, think most i got was like 5, but that game went for like 50mins, so its just down to kills then?
Even with the doubled rewards for bronze troop orders, I seriously doubt you’re getting that many, unless you’re paying for XP boosts every match, and the math backs me up.
Bronze orders are awarded for every 3000xp earned in a match, after bonuses are calculated, and weapons/troops orders alternate. With two troop orders every time you earn them, which is every 6000xp because they alternate, to earn 10-20 bronze troop orders every battle you’d have to be earning 60000-120000 xp every time, unless I’ve seriously screwed the math somewhere, or I’m mistaken about how much experience awards orders.
They used to be, dunno why they can’t be, the rest of the game was already so heavily monetized, and you could already pay for the specific soldiers you needed.
Right now, a 2-star troop of any class costs 60 EG, and equipment requiring bronze orders can be purchased at 10eg per bronze weapon order. Since bronze troops orders are twice as common, I’d say the cost of troops for bronze should be fixed at 12 bronze troops orders for a 2 star, and either don’t allow recruiting higher level soldiers or introduce that as a hard paywall. 2 star can be earned, higher bought.
Obviously the Devs are trying to push more players towards purchasing Premium, BP or both.
For many that enjoy this game, it’s a great deal. a Year of both is 4800 gold I believe at the full regular price. A $50 usd gold pack gives you 6200 gold. So 4800 gold is about $ 38.71 usd….monthly that’s $3.23 usd.
I live in a poor country with a decent sized middle class, where people of all ages are doing whatever they can to scrape together a living. Not to far from where I live is a park where many people on on weekends. Today I saw a teen boys approaching people as they were getting out of their cars. He was asking if they would like him to wash their car while they enjoyed the park. I asked him what he charged and why he needed the money. He told me that he charged the equivalent of $4.00 usd and that the 1st car was for his video game hobby, the rest was to help his family.
If people enjoy this game….$3.23 a month is some of the cheapest entertainment available. I really can’t understand the constant griping about something so trivial.
Sorry OP, not really directed at you, but the theme of this forum is to some extent “Devs bad for trying to make a living” and it’s silly.
I have bought both, even bought the 2nd year, prem time, but i still not get that many bronze a game.
Wish i had a car, i would help with his gamming habit 
At least he not running around mugging people, i say well done, and i hope he got a few customers that day.
Jajaja, I do and did pay him. Seems like a good guy that is more than happy to spend a few hours, once a week to help himself and his family.
My point was that even in a relatively poor country……$3.23 a month…which on a weekly basis is 75 cents usd is really not something to complain about.
Good points all around, but I’d like to try to clarify something from my end.
I don’t hate the devs or begrudge them the need to earn money from this game, if they didn’t there’d be no game, and I enjoy the hell out of it. I don’t have a problem with monetization. I have a problem when that monetization begins to look predatory.
Before the recruitment changes, this game could honestly be said to be free to play, pay to progress through the grind faster or skip pieces of it almost entirely. You could pay for premium time to boost your XP earnings and give you some quality of life buffs, you could pay for Elite Battlepass and progress through earning all of its rewards and faster, you could pay for equipment, soldiers, weapons, campaign levels, academy speedups, squad levels, and I’m sure I’ve missed some, but you didn’t have to. All that stuff could be available to any F2P player that strolled in, with enough time spent playing, and new players didn’t have to feel like they were at a disadvantage forever, because they could see the end of the grind from where they were.
All of that is still true, more or less, but now it’s a lot harder on the new guys. With the removal of bronze troops recruitment, they’re limited to what silver orders they can get from achievements, random daily box drops, and free battlepass levels to fill out their squads, assuming they don’t spend money. Those silver orders tend to be few and far between, and all the while our stalwart new guy has to fight an uphill battle against people who’ve logged hundreds if not thousands of hours over the course of the last year at least, with this min-strength squads improving glacially if at all. This is dangerously close to pay-to-win territory, and is tantamount to coercion from my point of view. That kid scraping $4 for his video game hobby, if he has the equipment, should be able to play this game and progress reasonably without feeling obligated to spend his hard-earned money to do so.
I’m confident the dev team has seen that, and they’ve already said they’re working on fixing it, so I have hope for the new guys, but we’ll see.
Different play style, I meet him in couple of match, and he’s some “try hard to kill” type of player like me, average 10-20 maybe a little much, but no doubt getting 6-15 in average without boosts.
But…there are work arounds. The problem is that many “want it all and want it now”. At the risk of admitting that I probably, technically was pushing the edge of the TOS, out of curiosity I, I mean my cousin, created a new account with a unique email address….the intent was to see if a semi-experienced player could, after completing all the levels in campaign 1, 2 or 3, do well with a brand new account, as far as earning enough silver orders to progress to a reasonable level to have fun as a purely F2P player. The answer is YEP.
I might clarify this by defining my play style. I’m about to complete all levels as Normandy Axis and Allies. Already pretty much completed Berlin and Moscow Axis. I have found that I stick with T1 squads. I find it too “grindy” to switch to T2 or T3 squads and do just fine with max T1 squads. I also keep my squads simple, average of 6 squad members. More members than that and they basically have died before I spawn into them anyway. Less need for equipment with less rotating squads with less members = less need for silver troop and weapon orders (accepting that silver orders will soon be required for weapons).
What I found is that “my cousins” brand new F2P account did very well. After 4 games “my cousin” had 12 silver troop orders and an engineer in each of “his” 3 rotating infantry squads…and it was bas much FUN as any of the matches in a higher level account.
Basically the game gives you a free car with one gallon of gas in the tank that will get you from point A to point B, but if you want to get to point C or beyond, you’ll need to buy more gas, oil and maybe a new set of tires or you can push your car to where you want to go…which really is a dumb idea.
Still don’t believe it. That’s still 36k-96k xp per match, assuming premium time and winning and maximum battle hero awards, thats 8k-20k base experience in an average match. I’m not the greatest player, but i’m top 3 more often than not, and my average base experience is currently 4113. 8K would be an exceptionally good game, 20k would be unheard of.
Hell, the guy we know of (don’t know who) who made the most experience exploiting the bot farm only averaged 9.5k base experience over 22 exploit bot farm games.
I’ma have to ask for pics or it didn’t happen.
You forgotten or didn’t notice that now we get 2 bronze for troops every 3k xp, so, 6k for 1 weapons and 2 troops, 60k for 10 weapon and 20 troops.
Those are all valid points but this
is where we differ. I’d been about to ask if we could come to a common assumption of what that meant, so we could both avoid arguing out our ass going forward, but you solved that too
That is not how I play the game, and not how I would want to in a hypothetical universe where I created a second account. I like having max pop squads, with a variety of soldier classes available to handle different situations. Hell, in moscow I run two max pop basic infantry squads, just because it provides more targets that aren’t always me for the enemy to shoot at. I wouldn’t be happy with the rate at which silver troop orders can be earned without buying them, I can’t be alone in that.
What you’ve described isn’t a free to play model. It’s a pay to play model with unlimited free samples that taste worse the more you eat them.
You must realize that this is a VERY low average for base XP. My “cousins” very 1st game as a level 2 player gained about that amount ( I know, all bot enemies at 1st, but still)
I just glanced (because I record all my matches for review and probably save the last 8-10 before deleting) at my base XP for the last several rounds….without using a calculator to find the exact average, they ranged from 5,000 to 10,000 base XP. This was using fully maxed T1 infantry squads. So I would not be surprised if a more experienced player, with maxed T2 and T3 squads (and using tanks and assault planes which I basically never use) could average 6-10 mil base XP over the long term.
I would say more of a “pay to progress” model, which is smart
I hadn’t forgotten, but I may have botched the math, so I’ma go back through it here with steps. I already found the mistake, and at the end we’ll see if it’s more feasible.
For 6 orders, that’s 6 x 3000xp since you get two for every 6000. I previously did 6x6000, that’s my mistake. 6 orders would be 18k, 15 orders would be 45k, or a range of 4k-10k base xp. My average is just over 4k base, so that makes sense, but there’s no way in hell he’s averaging bot-farming 10k xp per PVP fight. His claimed average range of 10-20 bronze troop orders would be and average xp of 30k-60k every fight, 6.6k to 13.3k base, which is even more ridiculous and well within the range of what we saw from bot farm abusers. My original math may have been flawed, but my point stands.
Is it? I've only recorded the last 8 matches, of those my highest base xp was the most recent at 5756, still have the results up so here's a screenshot. Lowest recorded is 2934 (a short game where I didn't do very well). I've won 88% of those games, and earned battle hero awards in 88% of them, consistently placing in the top 3, top 5 on average, all as berlin soviets. I don't doubt your numbers, but what kind of performance are you giving to get that kind of average base?
When people say “pay to progress” they usually mean “pay to progress faster” or “pay to reduce the grind.” Pay to Progress is a car limited to half the speed limit unless you pay extra. What we’ve got is a car that starts, but won’t shift out of first unless you pay a little, and breaks landspeed records if you open your bank account to the company.
6.6k to 13.3k base XP seems reasonable for an experienced player who uses tanks and planes in their rotation. I can post screen shots of my last several games to illustrate what an average player can expect if that would help settle the matter between the 2 of you.